Overall I'm quite happy with 2.5 in some aspects. I can now run decent settings with a decent FPS and hardly any dropping so great job on that.

After talking to a lot of the minsta people we as a majority really don't like some of the new things in 2.5.

Shading effects - They make players near impossible to see. Switching to a 2.4.2 server after adjusting your brightness or using r_showsurfaces 3 shouldn't be needed to do just to play a game. Overall they are just way over the top for a game mode where you need pretty good accuracy.

The sound effects - Footsteps encourage people to hide and camp. Yeah I know people will always do that if they want to but to be encouraging everyone to do it can only hurt in the end.

Aiming - While aiming in dark areas is hard. Now even if you aim randomly with a few shots you are bound to hit something. Anti lag is cool and all but it seems like you can obviously miss and still get a hit. I miss quite a bit and I have noticed this.

Lag - People with over 100 pings are seemingly getting quite an advantage with them glitching across the screen but they have some perfect aim - This is all part of an experimental process I know so I'm not really too against it as it's being developed and changed all the time.

One last thing. It's little and probably pointless. No one is too fond of the pig body like new nex model. It resembles something like a rolled up carpet or a headless pig

I know we are only a small side of Nexuiz but a side nonetheless. I'd personally be happy if we just got rid of the darkness. I know the rest can be classed as evolution but the darkness is certainly a step backwards in our eyes. Maybe some other players of this wonderful game mode can post here?

Xandria wrote:One last thing. It's little and probably pointless. No one is too fond of the pig body like new nex model. It resembles something like a rolled up carpet or a headless pig

What Nex model? Pic or link to some?
And how weird is your mind if any of the models resembles a pig? Or any other animal for that matter

ai wrote:

Xandria wrote:One last thing. It's little and probably pointless. No one is too fond of the pig body like new nex model. It resembles something like a rolled up carpet or a headless pig

What Nex model? Pic or link to some?

He means the MinstaNex model. Which is not the same as the Nex model.
The minstanex sure is ugly. ;P

Is that the old Nex model which was used or is this a new one? Either way, pics!

1.0 Nex model for the win!

Xandria wrote:
The sound effects - Footsteps encourage people to hide and camp. Yeah I know people will always do that if they want to but to be encouraging everyone to do it can only hurt in the end.

I don't quite agree with this, the idea of footsteps is so that you can listen and understand where about's the opponent is more accurately in correlation to where you are.

I don't understand how this encourages camping? Do you mean because they try to be more silent so don't move as much? If so surely then there's no more of a problem as people could move around silently without footsteps before, so this should help. That's something that should be up to the player though, how they want to play.

Can you give an example of how you think it's encouraging camping, or how it will only hurt more in the end.

Well the way I've been playing is listening to footsteps near to me and then diving into a shaded area and picking off that person.

It even encourages me to do it.

I have also noticed how much easier it becomes while sitting in a shaded corner, when you hear footsteps you know a player is near you so you ready yourself to aim.

Oh as for the gun



It sorta looks like


or
The headless pig which you can google. I did see a pic and put it here but it's like hugely inappropriate

Obviously take away it's legs and there you have it! It's a nex!

and the older model:




I prefer that it actually looks like a gun

Oh sorry for the new post but

http://prophets.aforumfree.com/discussi ... 5.htm#4180 theres also that which mimics almost all my feelings about 2.5

I actually preferred the old model the one you say that looks like a pig (and i can see what you mean).

However it's just personal preference, there should be an option for you to be able to change it Xandria, esteel or someone would probably know.

Xandria wrote:Well the way I've been playing is listening to footsteps near to me and then diving into a shaded area and picking off that person.

Good point, that makes sense, and to be honest i'm sure many people would do that to give themselves an advantage but then again that's greater awareness for you, but I can understand why you don't like it because I know you believe that minsta is just run around and whoever has the best aim wins that way and people shouldn't slow down and camp (I know you disliked my playstyle in atleast my first maybe all my tournament games but I was having to lead with most of my shots because of the server being so bad for me which meant I was going to lose in an open firefight more then time then I would win and since there was only those bad servers for me I had to play more tactical..I think it was that weird 2.4.2 / 2.5 mix of antilag personally, but atleast in the loser brackets I just ran around so I understand why you prefer that and i guess you want to reduce tactical element into minstagib as much as possible to base it around more reflex aim).

However I'm not sure it's right to disable that feature (footsteps) for every single player.

You can turn footsteps on or off anyway in the console, g_footsteps 0/1 I think, but i may be wrong, so perhaps you could make a vcall on your minstagib servers, but like I say is it fair to disable it for every player? It was always available in nexuiz so I was told but was not working properly before.

On your post about visibility in dark corners, I don't have a problem but then again CTF uses the brighterskins, and in 1on1DM / TDM, we use sv_defaultplayer_fbskins_green (for example) Is it not possible you can use this? since I haven't heard of any other players mentioning this, and i'm not sure it will be changed.

It's quite widespread. I'm not really the only one who has problems with it.

overall I guess I'm looking for some type of way for people to remove the shading from server cfg's I believe that should be optional.

I can deal with the footsteps since it is in quite a lot of games anyway, that was just picking up on what other people have complained about. I'm trying to help them at the same time.

Would it be possible for the devs to go to other sites related to nexuiz and gather opinions in order to improve the game for the userbase?

Hey. Just an idea though. I just want to see everyone happy with it because minus a few issues it's actually quite a worthy successor.

Xandria wrote:
Would it be possible for the devs to go to other sites related to nexuiz and gather opinions in order to improve the game for the userbase?

Hey. Just an idea though. I just want to see everyone happy with it because minus a few issues it's actually quite a worthy successor.

I think the devs would expect the minsta playerbase/other players to come here, rather then them go to other sites, not to sound bad or anything but most players should post there feelings here I think that helps the devs more instead of having to find people, like you and one or two others from minsta community who have posted here is good

Xandria wrote:Would it be possible for the devs to go to other sites related to nexuiz and gather opinions in order to improve the game for the userbase?

As kojn said, I don't think it's plausible for devs to go to other communities unless they enjoy that/do it anyway/are really willing to. There might be too many side communities (I know there is at least one in each continent, with the possible exception of Africa, at least I know of none there) to go up on and check on, and there also might be communities that we don't know about. I think I got to learn in the past that there was a minsta community, but somewhere along the timeline I forgot you existed, until this thread was made.

Besides, it's much more common sense that people come to the official forums than official forums coming to everyone.

BTW, footsteps are not even on by default.

I'll see if I can get anyone to head over here. It's pretty hard trying to explain things alone when I pretty much suck at explanations.

My main issue is those light and dark areas.

Yep you are right. Visiting every nexuiz corner would probably take way too much time. Bad idea from me.

But the one link I did give is basically how most people feel about the updates. There are a small few though who really don't care what happens =)

I kinda like that there is different mini-communities around Nexuiz.
But it's not really possible for us to visit all these different forums and irc channels.
Communities could have an ambassador on the main forum, maybe a good idea.


Now I'll hope to help you on your questions. Maybe you know all this but whatever

Shading effects:
What is this? Shadows? It looks exactly like in 2.4.2. In Options you have a lot of different brightness settings you can tweak.
And as kojak said: the server can enable brightskins on all players (green, red or orange). You can also vote to enable them (if the server allows it, type vhelp in console).
MinstaGib used to make all players fullbright (so they don't get shadowed) are they not anymore? (I have not played minsta in a while)

Footsteps:
Footstep sounds is off by default. So either you choose a different server. Or talk to the server admin about it.
Maybe the other players like footsteps?
g_footsteps 0/1

Aiming:
Dark corners should not a problem if you tweak your settings. (on the screenshots you posted it looks very bright, so it's no problem)
Server admins can control the antilag settings.
g_antilag (0 = no AntiLag, 1 = verified client side hit scan, 2 = server side hit scan in the past, 3 = unverified client side hit scan). 2.5 use g_antilag 2

Lag:
Yes, as you said. The network code is changed a bit every major release to fix lag and stuff.
It's a constant work in progress.

Nex model:
This will probably not be changed in a while. I saw a guy post weapon concept arts here on the forum. One of those can be used I think. But we need someone to model it

Btw, the ladder servers for the planetnexuiz.com ladder can be turned into minstagib servers just by voting for g_minstagib 1, so you can also see how these servers work or you want to check out the fullbright skins.

morfar wrote:Shading effects:
What is this? Shadows? It looks exactly like in 2.4.2. In Options you have a lot of different brightness settings you can tweak.
And as kojak said: the server can enable brightskins on all players (green, red or orange). You can also vote to enable them (if the server allows it, type vhelp in console).
MinstaGib used to make all players fullbright (so they don't get shadowed) are they not anymore? (I have not played minsta in a while)

I know what Xandria means. However I wouldn't call that "shadows" but "lighting". You can easily make a try by starting a local minstagib match with some bots on nexdmlc2. Enable the orange fbskins, look and see.

Quite funny is the way the models are displayed when having picked up the invisibility powerup now.

As I am in love with fullbright skins, I would ask the admins to get this one as default or at least voteable: sv_defaultplayer_fbskin_green or whatever color you like.

But somehow the fbskin destroys the fun of the powerup invisible ... dunno if someone can fix it (or is it fixed allready?). It doesnt work as it should with fbskins on iirc.