Thread topic says its all.

RL is virtually useless against someone with mortar + low ping (actually not always low ping, but this happens most of the time)

In fact it's not just that, it's possibly the most annoying thing in the world in nexuiz.

Crylink does this too, but that actually takes some skill and is a good defensive weapon.

Remove this stupid projectile detonation and make the RocketLauncher useful. Thank you.

I think it gives a good bit of tactics by knowing the weapons that you can counter a high damage weapon by using one with lower damage.

BUT! It can have the annoying situation where the rocket launcher becomes utterly useless.

Don't know about grenades, but seeing two rockets collide in the middle of a fight is kinda cool. At least I never noticed it in 2.4, but now I see it happen from time to time, and in some way it makes me like the game even more.

Yea it's absolutely amazing when it does insane amounts of damage!

It's ridiculous, thanks everyone who voted No. \o/

I'd say no too, this is a nice feature and shouldn't be removed imo. Maybe cvar it instead so it can be disabled on server if anyone wants to.

Do not want

Without this counter the RL would be too dominant. Thinking about certain maps where one can just spam and spam and spam and with no way being able to counter it.

Why is there always requests like "I get pwnd by weapon X, Nerf weapon X NOW, it is retarted that the weapon I AM PWND BY is in existance"?

Alpha with nex.
Kojn with explosions in his face.

I voted no.

Kojak, since you're the best with the mortar, remember why I named the player class that counters the Rocketeer after you?

While the GL functions as a counter to the RL, LordHavoc's idea to add guidance to the RL will partially alleviate this.

Not just partially. You can learn to move the RL missile in a path where it is above the floor so far that a grenade won't hit it, and move it down only to hit your target.

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That is all.

PS. Just no.

divVerent wrote:Not just partially. You can learn to move the RL missile in a path where it is above the floor so far that a grenade won't hit it, and move it down only to hit your target.

But at the same time you are defenseless while you're steering the rocket.

I like this feature, so no here.

It's not like you have to steer it for a long time. Aim upwards, steer rocket down, release.

Projectiles that don't explode? How about a billiard ball cannon?

This feauture = Nexuiz.
But well it should be removed !

4m wrote:Projectiles that don't explode? How about a billiard ball cannon?

Nah. I'm more in favour of a cat launcher!

ai wrote:Without this counter the RL would be too dominant. Thinking about certain maps where one can just spam and spam and spam and with no way being able to counter it.

The mortar is used to push opponents back as well and there is other defensive weapons to counter it, the fact is it's just random stupid luck half the time when your rockets get exploded and does insane damage, can't believe people don't think it's annoying.

Nex > RL. I don't see why complain.

alpha wrote:Nex > RL. I don't see why complain.

nex damage is down to 110 now.

It is it's mainly mortar and nex most of the time in nexuiz, RL is normally useless against the mortar.

k0jak wrote:Thread topic says its all.

RL is virtually useless against someone with mortar + low ping (actually not always low ping, but this happens most of the time)

In fact it's not just that, it's possibly the most annoying thing in the world in nexuiz.

Crylink does this too, but that actually takes some skill and is a good defensive weapon.

Remove this stupid projectile detonation and make the RocketLauncher useful. Thank you.

dude I get low ping and you don't hear me complaining... Grab a friggin Hagar pelt the suckers with a hail storm of rockets, works for me.

Moral of the story... Quit bitchin' and get even!

low ping or not... it's possible to wrack up the frags if you know the weapons and how they work under various latency conditions, take a little more skill than you'd ordinarily need otherwise.

At 300...

The MG and most energy weapons will have some delay (not much) whereas the Shotgun has virtually nil.

At the end of the day it's all about tactics.

Get rid of explosive weapons? That's about as bad as complaining about Camping. (not that you can pull it off in Nexuiz)

who would want to get rid of the explosives anyways? you just have to know how to use them.

k0jak wrote:

alpha wrote:Nex > RL. I don't see why complain.

nex damage is down to 110 now.

It is it's mainly mortar and nex most of the time in nexuiz, RL is normally useless against the mortar.

There is more to it than damage. RL becomes increasingly useless with increasing range while nex is as strong in close as it is in sniper range.

Nex > RL _most_ of the time.

wut? i go away for a few days and this is what i find when i get back?! iiiish.

Why is

k0jak wrote:RL is virtually useless against someone with mortar + low ping (actually not always low ping, but this happens most of the time)

a bad thing? if you don't have these gunz to counter with, fighting off a rl attacker is.. hard. to hard most of the time. (which is ok, as long as there is a weapon / way to tilt teh balance at times).

In my experience, going toe-toe rl<->nex means the nex'r nets a nuked most of the time. Given the two players are somewhat equal in skill that is.

I think a rl without this would mean is needs a serious nerf to fit the balance, and a seriously deballed rl is not Nexuiz (to me).

tZork wrote:wut? i go away for a few days and this is what i find when i get back?! iiiish.

Why is

k0jak wrote:RL is virtually useless against someone with mortar + low ping (actually not always low ping, but this happens most of the time)

a bad thing? if you don't have these gunz to counter with, fighting off a rl attacker is.. hard. to hard most of the time. (which is ok, as long as there is a weapon / way to tilt teh balance at times).

In my experience, going toe-toe rl<->nex means the nex'r nets a nuked most of the time. Given the two players are somewhat equal in skill that is.

I think a rl without this would mean is needs a serious nerf to fit the balance, and a seriously deballed rl is not Nexuiz (to me).

Alpha also wants the RL made into a gelding. He want's the damage to be nerfed down to 110, you know, so you can't kill him with it.

Also he's infatuated with drew barrymore. I don't think she's pretty, even with her plastic surgery.

alpha wrote:

k0jak wrote:

alpha wrote:Nex > RL. I don't see why complain.

nex damage is down to 110 now.

It is it's mainly mortar and nex most of the time in nexuiz, RL is normally useless against the mortar.

There is more to it than damage. RL becomes increasingly useless with increasing range while nex is as strong in close as it is in sniper range.

Nex > RL _most_ of the time.

The nex sucks now. Thanks alpha.

How to kill a nex user: jump over his head, shot gun him while doing this, duck into a corner, come around the other time, one more shot finishes him off.

That's what I do. Works every time.

You know the one place it won't work... on open maps. The nex user still might get off 2 shots and kill you, better nerf it down to 50 dmg .

But what weapon must be nerfed next.. because you know peeps will just be pwning you with something else now.

k0jak wrote:

ai wrote:Without this counter the RL would be too dominant. Thinking about certain maps where one can just spam and spam and spam and with no way being able to counter it.

The mortar is used to push opponents back as well and there is other defensive weapons to counter it, the fact is it's just random stupid luck half the time when your rockets get exploded and does insane damage, can't believe people don't think it's annoying.

We accept that some players are more skillful than us and we don't have an inherent right to win.

You and alpha on the otherhand...

k0jak wrote:

alpha wrote:Nex > RL. I don't see why complain.

nex damage is down to 110 now.

It is it's mainly mortar and nex most of the time in nexuiz, RL is normally useless against the mortar.

Then pull out the laser.

Kojn: the new alpha.

"If I'm loosing it's a problem with the GAME not with me."

Lee_Stricklin wrote:

k0jak wrote:

alpha wrote:Nex > RL. I don't see why complain.

nex damage is down to 110 now.

It is it's mainly mortar and nex most of the time in nexuiz, RL is normally useless against the mortar.

Then pull out the laser.

Nex isn't all that good anymore, and the RL is getting nerfed down from 150 to 120 or even a super shitty 110... ty alpha and everyone else who want's useless weapons .

Oh well.

k0jak wrote:

ai wrote:Without this counter the RL would be too dominant. Thinking about certain maps where one can just spam and spam and spam and with no way being able to counter it.

The mortar is used to push opponents back as well and there is other defensive weapons to counter it, the fact is it's just random stupid luck half the time when your rockets get exploded and does insane damage, can't believe people don't think it's annoying.

You can use a laser to push someone back, or use it to get away from them.

tundramagi wrote:Kojn: the new alpha.

I am flattered. I was actually trying to turn out half as good as the man, and here we are, he is new me Epic.