TVR wrote:

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Committing eggandbacon, so we have a "weapon zoo" map where they all can be tried out.

But you two don't actually rebalance the weapons, nor create new ones, therefore have no use for eggandbacon.

The hypocrisy of this comment is so LOL.

It's a map with the intent to be played by a few people, namely developers, in a specific way, despite the fact it's utilizing entities from another game type (CTF). Yet it's included in the game.

While a map like CyberParcour which arguably targets a niche of a greater population is hated upon.


I'm all for a 'weapon zoo' for testing, but eggandbacon is a bit drab. I'd hope we could do a little better than that, especially since it's a horrible way to teach CTF which it ends up being included on a default CTF server by default with g_maplist "".


And for the record, since you like reading the SVN log so much, why don't you check out the patch submissions in the tracker, get your head out of your ass and realize I too have been working with weapons, flags and other pickups. I also send divVerent weapon statistics from my servers for balancing reasons. I think these things would justify my use of the map but it doesn't mean I think it should be included in the core distribution.

I made a crappy map for testing flag effects by keeping them in close proximity, that'd be a stupid thing to put in the game.

Well, eggandbacon has to stay until another map in the game utilizes the new weapons. However, there'd be too much resistance against changing the EXISTING maps to include new weapons. So eggandbacon is the only way for the time being.

I do hope too someone will make a new map for CTF and one for DM using the new weapons, so eggandbacon is no longer needed.

Also, eggandbacon DOES look good, especially if compared with the top-notch nexuiz quality map "ons-reborn"

For the record, I mean no offense to you work but when players download a 3d FPS in 2009, I don't think that's the type of map they expect to see as it does not highlight much about the game. Sure there are all weapons and possibly ~some~ visual tests but obviously nothing that shows off the true power of the engine and I think it can be considered a turn-off to new players.

I doubt it is a turn-off to new players as it is a quite popular CTF map - although it was never meant to be popular.

I meant it as a JOKE. Dig out the original post to find that out. That people actually liked to play it still makes me wonder. So what, it IS popular, and it IS liked by large amounts of players, so why not save them the download.

However, I have no problems with setting the map to "hidden", except that people will then wonder where all these weapons are the documentation talks about. What I really want is a REAL map with the weapons. But not even desertfactory contains any new ones, and touching any of the old maps to add the weapons is clearly a no-go.

[-z-] wrote:... It's a map with the intent to be played by a few people, namely developers, ...

It's comprehensive game testing map worth its share of rounds, anyone can use it to test new gamecode, or just CVar modifications including CTF scoring.

As everyone has eggandbacon, there's no need to provide a separate download, anyone can join a listen server testing modifications.

EggAndBacon is in the same category as SilverCity:
it's a way for the code developer's architectual style to be showcased.

Sure, they may not copy the quake3 way, like other maps do, but don't they deserve to have atleast one map in? To have their name on something that is seen?

LH made a big box map with sky walks, with a slightly steampunk feel with the struts connecting everything. Later fog was added.
Div made a (very popular) death box. Maybe the plus in the middle can be embellished, or the textue that changes color in the other version of this map added to the walls?

TVR wrote:But you two don't actually rebalance the weapons, nor create new ones, therefore have no use for eggandbacon.

TVR wrote:

[-z-] wrote:... It's a map with the intent to be played by a few people, namely developers, ...

It's comprehensive game testing map worth its share of rounds, anyone can use it to test new gamecode, or just CVar modifications including CTF scoring.

As everyone has eggandbacon, there's no need to provide a separate download, anyone can join a listen server testing modifications.

Sure and by that logic (where you're clearly going against your original point), CyberParcour can be used to test game physics..


Also, was curl recently removed from Nexuiz? Because as far as I know, it's simple enough to host and download a map.

I haven't read the whole thread,but here's my opinion anyway: Imho cyber-parkour should stay in SVN, simply for two reasons: it is very good looking,and tough I can't beat it for myself either,it's challenging.Imho there's nothing wrong with that,if there are easier to beat,and hard as hell race maps. They give variety,challenge and a learning curve to players.In case it turns out it's too hard to beat,simply don't include it in the campaign.

divVerent wrote:Well, eggandbacon has to stay until another map in the game utilizes the new weapons. However, there'd be too much resistance against changing the EXISTING maps to include new weapons. So eggandbacon is the only way for the time being.

I do hope too someone will make a new map for CTF and one for DM using the new weapons, so eggandbacon is no longer needed.

Also, eggandbacon DOES look good, especially if compared with the top-notch nexuiz quality map "ons-reborn"

I have alot of maps where one can test all the weapons .
Though I'm sure no one would want them in.

EggsAndBacon is one of the most played maps btw... If you embellish it abit it will look better.

You don't even READ the argument I posted. No other official map has the weapons the game has. Thus, players read the docs, find "oh neat, a rifle", and cannot even FIND it in the game.

BTW, for this reason the tuba will not be documented. However, the other weapons already ARE, which makes sense because unofficial maps have them.

We need some mapper to make a GOOD looking map with all the weapons AND nexuiz worthy visual quality (i.e. anything above eggandbacon, especially this means deluxemapping and offsetmapping MUST work, which requires carefully done lighting).

C.Brutail wrote:I haven't read the whole thread,but here's my opinion anyway: Imho cyber-parkour should stay in SVN, simply for two reasons: it is very good looking,and tough I can't beat it for myself either,it's challenging.Imho there's nothing wrong with that,if there are easier to beat,and hard as hell race maps. They give variety,challenge and a learning curve to players.In case it turns out it's too hard to beat,simply don't include it in the campaign.

Well, this is decided now, there simply is a "allow frustrating maps" checkbox, and cyberparcour is disabled by default unless you check this - easy to find - box.

divVerent wrote:I doubt it is a turn-off to new players as it is a quite popular CTF map - although it was never meant to be popular.

I meant it as a JOKE. Dig out the original post to find that out. That people actually liked to play it still makes me wonder. So what, it IS popular, and it IS liked by large amounts of players, so why not save them the download.

Hmm... vaguely reminds me of something...

divVerent wrote:However, I have no problems with setting the map to "hidden", except that people will then wonder where all these weapons are the documentation talks about. What I really want is a REAL map with the weapons. But not even desertfactory contains any new ones, and touching any of the old maps to add the weapons is clearly a no-go.

Cough, cough... Treasure Island would already include the HLAC and the Seeker, replace the Nex with the Camping Rifle, et voila... Though I don't want to start another controversy

[-z-] wrote:

TVR wrote:But you two don't actually rebalance the weapons, nor create new ones, therefore have no use for eggandbacon.

TVR wrote:It's comprehensive game testing map worth its share of rounds, anyone can use it to test new gamecode, or just CVar modifications including CTF scoring.

As everyone has eggandbacon, there's no need to provide a separate download, anyone can join a listen server testing modifications.

where you're clearly going against your original point

If you don't appreciate eggandbacon, it implies you don't use eggandbacon, that statement doesn't reference others, though.

[-z-] wrote:... CyberParcour can be used to test game physics ...

Cyberparcour01 is defined in terms of the current Nexuiz physics, therefore it would be irrelevant if the physics changed.

[-z-] wrote:... it's simple enough to host and download a map ...

Yes, someone could setup a cURL redirect to a predetermined file host, or they could simply use a default map.

By logic that is of any other means irrefutable evidence I conclude that the point of this post is to suffice nothing but a self-indulgent metaphorical simile to the way one views themselves. These words were written to fulfill my passion of writing vague and cryptic nonsense, however the bombastic language I use graciously implies that I know what I'm talking about when the inverse of the forum discerns the opposite.

[-z-] wrote:By logic that is of any other means irrefutable evidence I conclude that the point of this post is to suffice nothing but a self-indulgent metaphorical simile to the way one views themselves. These words were written to fulfill my passion of writing vague and cryptic nonsense, however the bombastic language I use graciously implies that I know what I'm talking about when the inverse of the forum discerns the opposite.

Go on...

sev wrote:Cough, cough... Treasure Island would already include the HLAC and the Seeker, replace the Nex with the Camping Rifle, et voila... Though I don't want to start another controversy

I happen to like Treasure Island... so actually, why not?

divVerent wrote:

sev wrote:Cough, cough... Treasure Island would already include the HLAC and the Seeker, replace the Nex with the Camping Rifle, et voila... Though I don't want to start another controversy

I happen to like Treasure Island... so actually, why not?

Me too, if it's gpl it should have been included already because of it's awesome quality IMO

FruitieX wrote:Me too, if it's gpl it should have been included already because of it's awesome quality IMO

It's not included since it does not fit the Nexuiz theme. And I question the gameplay.
But it sure a very beautiful map.

That's what I meant with new controversy...
Since it is not a "typical" Nexuiz map, if Treasure Island doens't have full support from all project leaders, I prefer it to stay an independent project.
My next "real" map will be a better fit anyway, though I didn't start yet

To bring this thread back on track (and to a possible end):
CyberParcour01_v1r3

Isn't there bunny track-like game mode in development called Nexrun? I think that would probably be a good mode for a few CTS maps.

master[mind] wrote:I would prefer not having it named in the pubs with a curse word shown, but "CTS" would be fine with me. I know I don't count though so whatev.
I'm gonna call it CTIHCDTFIPP - "complete this impossibly hard course designed to frustrate it's potential players"

I think we should call it vertigo, if the name isn't already taken, it sounds good.

I do like the CTS style maps like space_race_b2 and cyberparcour and would be very sad if for some reason i was not able to play them anymore. Im not able to complete any of them yet but i like it that way, everytime i retry one of those map, i can get a little bit further than the last time i did. I think its a good solution to have servers with only that kind of map and other servers with only the regular race style map. I also like the idea of a 5 star rating system for the CTS maps, as i would try to complete them in the appropriate order of difficulty.

Also, I dislike it alot when people insult each other directly on the forum with crude words. This is the official forum, and its dishonorable to nexuiz when you guys do that.

Ixion wrote:It's not included since it does not fit the Nexuiz theme.

There's a theme? Honestly, does Nexuiz have a truly pervasive theme?

☃ (snowman) wrote:

Ixion wrote:It's not included since it does not fit the Nexuiz theme.

There's a theme? Honestly, does Nexuiz have a truly pervasive theme?

not really, q3:a-ish, small and favor's spam style game play.

I've been staying out of this thread, but i think reading each post wont do anything. I'm on [-z-] Man's side. You can't just go around ranting and making changes to things just because you dont like something. a selfish dev team just brings down productivity and development and wont go any where. all members of the community must be taken into account. also nexuiz is open source so it is free to be modded at will, so removing game play modes or limiting mapping to certain themes does nothing but push people away. as stated before, "Nexuiz tends to favor the noob" is a bad thing, and takes the game nowhere. and egg and bacon is nothing but a spam box, so why should it be included when cyberparkour, whilst fits the nexuiz 'theme' and showcases some of dp's rendering and physics power and can help people learn cts style maps (which anyone can learn it if they really wanted to instead of just complaining and ranting like the angry german kid) by providing a way that doesn't need strafe-jumping, but wits to see how to get to the finish, and test 99, etc do the same but with portal gun (which isnt in egg and bacon so how can they see that, as well as the 'walker and ewheel, etc' either) not be allowed and the game play scrapped, just because one selfish dev doesn't like them. what you are saying is, if i make a server with my cts or what ever game type, say a new game type or nexball for example, and you don't like the game play or the maps, it can be scrapped and shutdown and removed, this is what happened to all of mikeeUSA's maps, they are pretty much 'Banned' completely from nexuiz.

oh and stuff like this is completely uncalled for.

divVerent wrote:Deleting posts is fun. Now I will delete Green's "hi mike" post, so it starts with me claiming that evadproject is the most secure map.

why don't we just invite bummy_666 over to join us while we're at it?

Spam & Bacon

Since this seems to be about race originally.

CTS or Race?

http://forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?t=5253

/shameless self promotion