Yesterday I tried to play Nexuiz after some break. What I found that there was no one playing real CTF and there were 20 players in several servers playing minsta CTF + hook on dusty. Wtf???

Maybe we should organize friendly CTF matches where ones who know how real CTF should look like could play.

Alien wrote:Maybe we should organize friendly CTF matches where ones who know how real CTF should look like could play.

These are happening all the time on the Nexuiz pickup channel, join #nexuiz.pickup@irc.quakenet.org!

They are 3v3, btw.

Pickup is not exposed enough and it's far easier to decide a date on the forum.

Alien wrote:What I found that there was no one playing real CTF

And I thought I'm playing CTF several times a week, without minsta, hook or jetpack.

I must be hallucinating then.

I agree that there are indeed quite a lot of such minsta/hook/jetpack servers, but a lot of people stick to "classic" CTF, and the good ol' servers have been there for a while, and are as good as before.

Mr. Bougo wrote:I agree that there are indeed quite a lot of such minsta/hook/jetpack servers, but a lot of people stick to "classic" CTF, and the good ol' servers have been there for a while, and are as good as before.

This.

My only real problem is with the large volume of space/asymmetric maps that get voted in persistently. Normally its about 4 maps over and over and it gets really dull....

Alien wrote:Pickup is not exposed enough and it's far easier to decide a date on the forum.

Agreed isn't exposed enough, but it's easier to join a pickup game then to arrange something on the forum.

Why don't you join a clan, and help the clan community? that way you would get matches (if you can also be bothered to go out of your way and schedule some) but it's the lack of regular players who don't do this that makes things so poor at the moment unfortunately.

I've noticed that HOCTF doesn't get played very often, but the German MinstaCTF and Nexican do. Maybe when we get on our first comment should be "Hey let's head over to ~servername~ and play some real CTF." Might get those servers a little more populated.

of course there are still real CTF games but not as much than before..
i don't know but the pn.de public seems to be dead.. only real CTF server which are always full is DCC and maybe Simba.
I think people spend their time not that much in front of the pc in summer lets see..

I spend more time in front of the computer during summer .

master[mind] wrote:I've noticed that HOCTF doesn't get played very often, but the German MinstaCTF and Nexican do. Maybe when we get on our first comment should be "Hey let's head over to ~servername~ and play some real CTF." Might get those servers a little more populated.

i asked Dokujisan if he could set up HOCTF because we needed a good ol classic ctf server . at the time there werent any . it has done well in the past . but now you have to go sit and wait in the server to get anything going . New people to nexuiz dont stay very long . they spend an average of 3 to 5 minutes trying to cap . I think its because we dont take it easy on them , and we shouldnt . or maybe we dont have the same 4-5 maps they love to play as stated earlier in the thread . idk , but i love a good ol game of ctf , but no one plays these days . maybe it IS summertime .

I once played 15 v 15 ctf in redstar republic. It was the most fun I've had in nexuiz. Usually I don't have fun playing: there are few people and they usually play the same few easy maps.

tundramagi wrote:I once played 15 v 15 ctf in redstar republic. It was the most fun I've had in nexuiz. Usually I don't have fun playing: there are few people and they usually play the same few easy maps.

Just your average, typical, "REAL" CTF match in Nexuiz.

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tundramagi wrote:I once played 15 v 15 ctf in redstar republic. It was the most fun I've had in nexuiz. Usually I don't have fun playing: there are few people and they usually play the same few easy maps.

Just your average, typical, "REAL" CTF match in Nexuiz.

Isn't real ctf fairly boring. It's just running across the same 5 maps. The RSR game with 30 peeps had team play (was required to get through the defenses). It was alot of fun, but only occured once.

Grasshopper wrote:i asked Dokujisan if he could set up HOCTF because we needed a good ol classic ctf server . at the time there werent any . it has done well in the past . but now you have to go sit and wait in the server to get anything going . New people to nexuiz dont stay very long . they spend an average of 3 to 5 minutes trying to cap . I think its because we dont take it easy on them , and we shouldnt . or maybe we dont have the same 4-5 maps they love to play as stated earlier in the thread . idk , but i love a good ol game of ctf , but no one plays these days . maybe it IS summertime .

I play

I like HOCTF, but I agree, no one seems to be on it. The Nexuiz Army wants You to play on HOCTF. *Picture of Xolar pointing*

We need to recruit people to HOCTF when we get on.

I actually meant we could play a ctf match like each saturday let's say 16.00 UTC time at de green's. We would get balanced matches in symmetric maps at least (fw and gw do not count except maybe for fun).

It's actually the regular playerbase that is dying. If you check out the hook minsta server, you can see that there are only "whities" (if you know what i mean ) because they are totally new to Nexuiz and they don't know the basics, they don't know how to move fast, so they use hook/jetpack, they don't know how to use the weapons well, so they use instakill weapons. That's why these servers got so popular because they drained the "fresh blood" from normal CTF. And because minsta CTF doesnt have such a deep learning curve as normal CTF has by far (because of the weapons), it will cause these players get bored from minsta ctf after a while and they leave the game.
I think pn.de is dead because since in spring it became extremely laggy and people just didnt stand it It was popular earlier because it was the ultimate svn testserver with TONS of changes, but because now it doesnt offer anything groundbreaking after 2.5 is out, people decide to choose the less laggy servers just as DCC.

--FraNcoTirAdoR-- wrote:...you can see that there are only "whities" (if you know what i mean )

What? Does that mean players that do not feature fancy colors in their nick are considered newbies? Oh my, either I am a newbie for a very long time now already or I am playing constantly under a newbie disguise. I hope this doesn't count as cheating? ("oh look, another whitie. I'll just fly past him, he won't be able to aaaargh" *splut*)

Isn't DCC's Laid Back CTF server considered "Real" CTF? I am playing quite nice matches there every now and then... and I usually recognize about half of the nicks as ones that I've been playing with before.

--FraNcoTirAdoR-- wrote:It's actually the regular playerbase that is dying. If you check out the hook minsta server, you can see that there are only "whities" (if you know what i mean ) because they are totally new to Nexuiz and they don't know the basics, they don't know how to move fast, so they use hook/jetpack, they don't know how to use the weapons well, so they use instakill weapons.

Its so true. Even then most of them are absolutely awful and dont have a clue how to aim or use the hook. Its so easy to get 100 kills and I've only played on these servers about 4 times or something.

It makes me sad to think that this is what the majority of people play. Theres just no challenge in it. I think a lot of them get scared off the normal servers because there tends to be a huge skill disparity when they eventually do try normal matches. I think its mostly the difference of playing mentalspace/facing with and without hook

indeed. If you look lately at the ppl playing CTf in DCC or Simba you will not see many newbies. Especially in DCC, where the nex is not a gentle caress, a feather tickling your underarm etc etc etc, (though imho i prefer it that way) , there are hardly any newbie that actually sticks more than a couple of days. And honestly, i remember nicks very very well. Actually its more of a challenge nowdays to find who the other fakenicker is : ) . I mean, especially in the maps that are hideously played over and over again -mental-hydro-facing-gasoline-eyecured-gw the nex is so dominating if there are good players around that a newbie has subzero chances of 10 sec of survival . Well thats not really fun is it? Its not that its e.x mikectf that gives at least the noob some time to stock up or at least move without instadying. It;s even frustrating 4 me to be nexed 40 times in a row in mental when the other team is dominating and nex-bitching ruthlessly. imagine a newbie having to use the jumppads : )
So its, no suprise the current sitiuatoin. Newbies have a choise, they take the funniest and most enjoyable, not the most challenging. after all not all ppl play to become better,but for the sheer fun of it : )

I still see the problem as too many stupid ass space maps that dont allow for proper matches. Just lasering your opponents off the edge of the map and rocket jumping to flag cap. Bleh.

Mr. Bougo wrote:I agree that there are indeed quite a lot of such minsta/hook/jetpack servers, but a lot of people stick to "classic" CTF, and the good ol' servers have been there for a while, and are as good as before.

Minsta + CTF = No no no no NOOO! Minsta doesn't belong in CTF

Hook + CTF = depends on map, it's a ton of fun to swing around like Spider Man on city maps, swing around all over the place on space maps never gets old, and corridors are crazy with hooks. Everything else though, hook doesn't belong with CTF.

Jet Pack + CTF = Maybe in Tribes, but sure the hell not Nexuiz

Lee_Stricklin wrote:Hook + CTF = depends on map, it's a ton of fun to swing around like Spider Man on city maps, swing around all over the place on space maps never gets old, and corridors are crazy with hooks. Everything else though, hook doesn't belong with CTF.

Maybe you just don't understand hook as well as you think


CTF +Hook is a different gametype within itself and is not meant to be played like ~REAL~ CTF.

Lee_Stricklin wrote:Minsta + CTF = No no no no NOOO! Minsta doesn't belong in CTF

Hook + CTF = depends on map, it's a ton of fun to swing around like Spider Man on city maps, swing around all over the place on space maps never gets old, and corridors are crazy with hooks. Everything else though, hook doesn't belong with CTF.

Jet Pack + CTF = Maybe in Tribes, but sure the hell not Nexuiz

Adding to your list:
Nothing + CTF = Yes!


Not sure why you're quoting me there

Maybe real CTF is dying because it's boring :P minsta, hook & jetpack adds something new and "fun" to the game.
Plus, the oldschool players are not playing that much nowadays.

Mr. Bougo wrote:

Lee_Stricklin wrote:Minsta + CTF = No no no no NOOO! Minsta doesn't belong in CTF

Hook + CTF = depends on map, it's a ton of fun to swing around like Spider Man on city maps, swing around all over the place on space maps never gets old, and corridors are crazy with hooks. Everything else though, hook doesn't belong with CTF.

Jet Pack + CTF = Maybe in Tribes, but sure the hell not Nexuiz

Adding to your list:
Nothing + CTF = Yes!


Not sure why you're quoting me there

We have a winner!

morfar wrote:Maybe real CTF is dying because it's boring minsta, hook & jetpack adds something new and "fun" to the game.
Plus, the oldschool players are not playing that much nowadays.

It's not dying, it's not borin, and not only oldschool players play regular CTF.
The CTF offer has evened out, that's all.

I'm fairly new and it fustrates me with the same map chocies over and over again it was only last night I felt I played the same map 5 or so times in a couple of hours... and the assholes that keep nexing you so people like me a little slower and not such an accurate shooter has NO chance.

How would a newbie be inticed into playing ctf if he can never get further than his own base because of the nex?

That's a BIG issue there...

The map thing should be prevented by the admins by setting a larger map repetition preventing cvar, and making a decent maplist (mentalspace + mentalrespaced + mentalfog on the same maplist is WRONG, pick one and leave the others out... or even better, pick none of them)

The nex problem is a major one. Apparently, players think it's fun to camp. And most people don't know how to counter-attack.
Also, mappers should make an effort in weapon placing. There are way too much nexes.

IMHO the nex should use more ammo than it does now. At least 10 or even 15 could be a solution.


If players can't change their mentality, and stop camping and shooting the enemies in their own bases, we somehow have to force them to not use the nex as much as they do.

excactly plus Im its hard to completely ban the nex but it need some sort of limiting on DCC
I tend to play 7+ maps a time
where if I go onto dcc and start being nexed as soon as I apear from my base then I have no fun I carnt play any longer.

On DCC laid back it says in the status try not to run up either score too highbut constantly in 15 mins (the map time) we've played 4 or 5 maps because one teams ramped up ten (max points on dcc) while the othere teams on 0 this fustrates me Its no fun where as if were on a smaller map its down to close battles and interest tactics those games end on 5-4 or similair not much difference and its as close as it can be and into overtime sometimes these games are FUN!