Sepelio wrote:... I've played nexuiz for many years ...

It was considered, but I realized you have very limited exposure to anything other than regular CTF, with DM and possibly Minstagib in older versions.

Unfortunately during your two year absence, you missed the beginnings of PB, you wouldn't understand the sheer prospect of stopping everyone on a public Minstagib server, and cooperating on a monument to the community.

Sepelio wrote:... A little friendly taunting in the game ...

Any type of taunt is intended to incite hatred, people on NY US DM have recently become genuinely angry, slugging profane insults, whenever they are fragged.

Sepelio wrote:... A lot of smacktardery is imported from other games...

The composition of the community is determined by the game, if the game includes prerecorded insults, disrespect will infiltrate the community.

Sepelio wrote:... If people want to ... turn off little bits of the game then thats fine ... but I don't want it ruining my gib covered, blood and cursing filled fun fest ...

Your standards were as low as the game when you returned, which was before taunts, but after 2.3

If automatic taunts were never implemented, you wouldn't be complaining, and we wouldn't have people swearing at each other over a frag.

Sepelio wrote:... In terms of people not saying GG etc. I think a lot of it is just due to new players not knowing the etiquette ...

False, recently, neither tZork, Demitar, nor XenoTheBlind said 'GG' at anytime through four maps in sequence, even though they all have 'GG' bound.

TVR wrote:I have not seen anyone say 'GG' these days, even [PB] has changed to a point where /b/-style random disruption has taken precedence over the Peace, and therefore are unable to form players towers from anything but clones...

I really doubt that is true. However, as for "gg" - yes, it simply is no longer a "custom" in Nexuiz to say that, and I honestly got "un-used" to that too. It sucks. You get "un-used" to it once nobody else does it... so I cannot blame tZork and others for this either.

As for PB - due to the declining community, PB almost always play among themselves now I mean, nobody else is really interested in the PB stuff any more.

I never liked these taunts, but well, "some people" wanted them so badly that they had to be AUTO taunts. Development by community pressure sucks, and you see the result now.

To expand more on PB - if PB had not changed in all the time... What would happen now. We'd be banned from most servers then...

like, what did we do in the past?
server raids, with towerings or hook chains, overlong PB spam aliases (ascii art and stuff), painting funny stuff on the walls, etc... All this would be anything but appreciated on most servers now.

as for PB humor being /b/-like - it is true that some memes caught on inside PB, but PB humor was never exactly subtle anyway. two words: telefrag arena.

Well I can't tell how it was before 2.3, but I definetely got attracted to this game due to its friendly playerbase. I never much liked playing online because I often found people were behaving like trolls. When I started playing Nexuiz, I didn't know about laser jumping or the like (never played quake or similar), but in one of my first online matches somebody pointed me to it without me even asking. Since then, I have found many players to be really helpful and friendly and this is what impressed me a lot.

I also noticed that new players are tending not to care much about good game atmosphere, though this tendency is not very strong. Maybe it is different on US Servers than on the DCC's, where I play mostly.

Sometimes people just don't know about how friendly the playerbase used to be or can be. This is why I always try to offer help to players that are obviously new to playing Nexuiz. I think the best way to re-establish the friendliness in the playerbase is to actively approach Newbies in a friendly way - if this is one of the first impressions they get from playing Nexuiz online, then chances are high that they too are evolving into respectful and friendly players.

Just a thought.

C.Brutail wrote:and kaz, tZork, Asreniel, Daedalus, pol pot, Lardarse, Chozabu, >>ReVeNGeR<< , Gego , Innovati, kozak6, Dresk, Urmel aus dem eis, Ihsan Revenant, PHREAK, Charliebrownau, Shoe , obi_wan, MauveBib, Wazat, tChr.

dont forget Vociferous, end all camping (yes he is a better minsta player then Pat), C.Brutail, YourOwnDumbSelf , Cuizi and Nil

TVR wrote:However, every single person who persisted through the many, many versions of Nexuiz, did so and continue do so because of this unique, multinational, FOSS project's most friendly community on the internet.

!!!

Still, instead of forming yet another community which basically is what {X} is except restricted from newcomers ({X} is not as long as they fit in by basic etiquette), we should rather promote the "nexiquette" to other players too.

Fact is, community ethos HAS declined a lot, at the same time as the NN community was formed. z's great web development made NN a platform that is easy to find and use.

The problem is that this attracted more of the "asshats" (1. people who just want to troll, 2. people who would use any means to win a match, including cheating, and insulting the other - think monkey island), as some people here call them, than players who actually care for the friendly atmosphere. This is partially because there is no room for friendliness in a seriously taken duel...

And of course, a rapid decline of ethos led to many of the "old school" players to go away - namely, those who actually were the top friendly ones in the community. Of course, this made the atmosphere even worse.

How to fix this, I don't know, but an "oldschool" community where NOBODY NEW WILL EVER BE ALLOWED IN certainly is not the way. Making {X} more active would probably be better, but most members are too covered up with real life.

However, one other result can be taken from this: all members of {X} and [PB], previously the "epitome of friendliness in game" but now only seldomly seen, should try playing more, and serving as good examples. This includes myself. Too bad I currently have no server to play on.

to start a new closed group/community within an apparently already closed community is not the way to go.. Rather as already stated realising that "xyz is obviously the way xyz is" and those who is seen as the greater parts of the community like devs, the really good players, the old timers of the community, the new players in town, make a joint effort to show the unwanted elements the door.

A suggestion I would like to put forward could be that one or several of the top clans, with the best players, would agree on having a certain code to follow, when it comes to noobs or asshats (be it timer script users, vote spamers or trolls alike) thereby safeguarding the soul and feeling of the community as an whole.

Every clans first rule should be Be noob friendly AND punish the asshats severely.
If there is a clan, not willing to agree to this simple rule, well let them compete within their own clan and freeze them out.

And a simple "stfu/gtfo" from good players, send a statement to other players on the server that its not ok, to be an "asshat" of any sort.
Hopefully other players start to take the same actions. Good actions multiply in life.
Also less "serious bidness", to try have fun, even those days its failure all over the place and you start to ponder if you really shouldn't have Sir failalot as your handle.
Don't start saying "fuck", all over the place and so on, a simple ..... is more than sufficient.
Or in the worst case say stuff like, "this is boring", which is really disrespectful against the other players on the server.

I for one, think of myself as a carebear, and try to help people over at DCC Beginners, when I have a opportunity is there infront of me.

Of course this is without involving the server admins. And on that note, I would like to see more trusted people on certain servers, as in DCC, in my case.

I'm going to agree with what paperclips said above after reading back through the thread but I still don't see a problem with autotaunting. I just don't see how it would cause people to rage unless they are of poor humour.

Anyway thinking over it I will say I have not seen many of these server invasions or anything else but I have seen things such as groups of random people working together for speed running or a mysterious clan called [nac] punishing asshats for asshattery. Also I couldn't forget to give a mention to the awesomness of the tuba.

need a prvm_edictset command to remove all weapons from someone, but give him the tuba, and switch to it?

oh lol. totally forgot to comment on the auto taunting bit, which was the thing I was supposed to comment in the first place. No I cant either see how the auto taunting sounds would make ppl rage on about whatever first came to mind. on the other hand some ppl in the world actually base their world view on certain news sources so, who knows.. aftonbladet/expressen/foxnews/thedailyhate and so on and forth, nevermind this text

divVerent wrote:need a prvm_edictset command to remove all weapons from someone, but give him the tuba, and switch to it?

oh why yes please good Sir, this would be well within the range of awesome! :3

Sepelio wrote:A little friendly taunting in the game is hardly going to knock it down when we have a nice, already mature community that is able to discuss these things in the open and promote its positive influence.

As to this broken window thing I really don't see its application to a game. Players are players, the majority don't just sit and play Nexuiz all the time. A lot of smacktardery is imported from other games. That and some people are just asshats.

If people want to be able to turn off little bits of the game then thats fine but I don't want it ruining my gib covered, blood and cursing filled fun fest. Heck, I don't even care if you have this stuff turned off by default as long as it can be enabled.

Spot on.

Seriously, I see more replies on threads like this then actual important aspects of the game, and it's what will more or likely make me stop playing.

You cannot stop people who want to call you a newb/n00b/noobie etc or if they say wtf, you suck etc.

Back in the 'old days' people would take this as a compliment in general, it's only when someone in the community who attacks you specifically for no good reason you should really start to get a little annoyed.

But putting time and effort into kicking people who say suck, wtf, newb etc really isn't time well invested in my oppinion.

I've said this for a long time and i'll say it again. Public servers are PUBLIC servers! I only play on them for fun and to see new maps when I do which is rarely. If you want more mature games play clan-games.

What the community does lack is people who whittle on about public game's but do not support clan activity.

I have seen a few threads now which have veered off onto oh public's have too many newb's etc causing disrespect or how to fix it, why don't the older members create some teams/clans learn to use IRC and arrange matches and play that way, there is also the pickup channel which is not used enough, it is there for the reason that you older/maturer players can have a DECENT game with each-other.

It's been advertised atleast twice on these forums, by not using it and still complaining I believe some people only have themselves to blame.

If you don't want to be part of clan activity fair enough but don't expect your gaming experience to get much better in the future on public servers if you want game's like in the past where everyone knows everyone, the game is bigger now and that's not the case, create clans have clan game's and use the pickup servers if you want it like that, otherwise use publics as a source of fun and a quick-blast and stop creating these threads.

What k0jak said.

The Nexuiz community is just getting bigger and everything that comes along with that. This is because Nexuiz is not just another FPS, it is the best free FPS out there and getting better and that attracts more players, both good and evil.

Another thing to consider is that the worst kind of community may not be a chaotic, slightly immature community, but a harsh, repressive one where you are auto kicked for typing the wrong things or server admins ban those they are just having a difficult time beating in-game.

So by trying to 'fix' the community you might just send it closer to being something far worse, with a culture of ban first ask question later.

The thing I always admired the most about Nexuiz' community, was how easy going it was in this respect. Even when some rare person was a little colorful, folks would just laugh him off, or maybe make him a slightly higher priority target if he was on the opposing team.

I've read most of the part on the bus on the way to home, so sorry if I double post somebodys ideas

The problem here imho is the lack of serious moderation. "Back in the old days" there was no need for such thing, but as the community and the popularity grows, there's a need for a change too.

I'm talking about serious moderation of the servers and the irc channels. I think trusted members of the community should look after the servers all day. I know this is lot to do, but in case we can get a shedule on who and when moderates the servers, we might start the retribution.

27 20:59:12 <dcc_plain> <[LDB]C.Brutail {X} {b}> odd... whenever I play, somebody always gets banned...

It seems like this is the only way nowadays.
Irrc there's a cross-server banlist under works. But wich servers are using it? I think very few. Imho enabling it cross-world would improve on the situation a lot.
We all have the tools: kicking, banning, server to irc gateways, logs of the servers uploaded to websites, ssh to servers, good, well mannered and trusted people of the community...

...but as it seems, nobody takes the advantages of this.
If the community won't organise it's own defense, nobody else would.

Btw, I _always_ start all my online games with:

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bind 9 "say Artifex armifer digitis dextris oculis occultis!"
bind 8 "say ^2gl & hf"


And I _always_ type in "gg" _manually_ after all my matches.

Sepelio wrote:I just don't see how it would cause people to rage unless they are of poor humour.

Not so much that, it has more to do with the fact that they see it being done (autotaunts and what have you), so they think it's "ok" to start doing it themselves.

Flying Steel wrote:The thing I always admired the most about Nexuiz' community, was how easy going it was in this respect. Even when some rare person was a little colorful, folks would just laugh him off, or maybe make him a slightly higher priority target if he was on the opposing team.

Not quite true.

Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

Unfortunately, for years now, I have to divide the people who plays Nexuiz into two: the forum and irc regulars, who I can always call my friends ingame (with a _few_ exception), and the "public". It's not coming from an elitism though, don't get me wrong. I just don't know them - but I know what I can and cannot allow myself while talking to them.
Eg.:
In case I get fragged multiple times, I could tell / say him ingame:

Fuck you xy

and I _know_ he won't get mad at me, because we're friends, we know eachother, and probably he/she won't get mad at me, the situation would be clear: I don't mean it, it's a joke. as for mysell, I'd probably reply with a "fu too " or "Come, get me "

But this is not the case with those who I don't know.
This is something that newcommers or "public" can't understand: "gay))))" is not a regular ingame chatphrase, but a funny catchphrase, an insider joke, which looses it's funniness once it's used too much.

Psychcf wrote:

Sepelio wrote:I just don't see how it would cause people to rage unless they are of poor humour.

Not so much that, it has more to do with the fact that they see it being done (autotaunts and what have you), so they think it's "ok" to start doing it themselves.

This comes from personal intelligence too. I'm fully against swearing and trashtalking ingame, but I have autotaunts on, and sometimes I have a good laugh on them.

Oh, and "electrobitch" was one of the coolest announcer sounds I've ever heared in any game. Not to mention Yoda

I suppose not everyone is calm and sensible like us and able to take things light heartedly
I always thought the electrobitch taunt was great as well as yoda. Its sad to see them go.

Anyway I had something else to say but now I can't remember what it was.

I hate when those people automatically say "gg" at the end of every single match, even when it was a pro vs noob rampage :p

Well, compared to most of you i'm a newb. Because i've only known about nexuiz for 9 months, I never got to see the "Good times" of the Nexuiz community... Although I personally think the community is improving now with Nexuiz becoming more and more advanced. As for the clan tag, I don't think i'm "old" enough to use it yet :P Besides, I have no room in my nickname either.

Same as Sam (haha wut)

I joined near the end of 2.3

"attracts more players", where are they

I started playing about a month after 2.3 was released.

(But only very recently joined the forums, when I decided it was a good time to start some content creation projects for Nexuiz).

k0jak wrote:The really oldskool players I remember, are tChr, daedalus, diomedes, dIM, morfar, esteel, Luna, kyre, Strahlemann etc

Ixion wrote:Don't forget Stryku

C.Brutail wrote:and kaz, tZork, Asreniel, Daedalus, pol pot, Lardarse, Chozabu, >>ReVeNGeR<< , Gego , Innovati, kozak6, Dresk, Urmel aus dem eis, Ihsan Revenant, PHREAK, Charliebrownau, Shoe , obi_wan, MauveBib, Wazat, tChr.

I hate you guys! I HATE YOU! NONE of you mentioned me! I think I will leave the Nexuiz community! Apparently no one remembers me anyway so no big loss there. ;_;

I've more or less listed the non acitve players

ai wrote:I hate you guys! I HATE YOU! NONE of you mentioned me! I think I will leave the Nexuiz community! Apparently no one remembers me anyway so no big loss there. ;_;

Who's that dude?

I'm only half active on the servers. I don't play that much Nexuiz anymore. Just popping in on the forums. I think I'm on the downward spiral on my Nexuiz playing. With time maybe it will go up again.

Understandable

I'm not playing much either... Not as much as a few months ago. Busy with other stuff!

divVerent wrote:... if PB had not changed in all the time ... what did we do in the past? ...

PB was an expansion on the peace concept, that Yellow Robot and I, with an additional player by the name of 'PixelPlast' first invented during a game of 3 player Minstagib DM.

Before [PB} was ever formed, the two of us and 4m used to join crowded Minstagib servers to run & hide, or testing whatever CVar mods I created on my listen server.

We managed to make our first player tower of 7 players on Drechloch, our tower was destroyed many times during that match on aneurysm, before we convinced everyone on the server to join on in forming that monument to the community, at the time.

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Nexuiz does not have any issues with attracting more players, as it is in persistent development.

But as Nexuiz changes drastically over time, no one who posts on this forum plays Nexuiz as a day-to-day game anymore, thus community etiquette is not passed on, rather reinvented through every generation.

The type of game influences the type of community, therefore community behaviour is completely dependant on gameplay in the current Nexuiz version.

Based on my theory of Vociferous Syndrome, I believe no one says 'GG' these days because there are no truly good CTF games, it will always to be an personal steamroll over the players.

Vociferous Syndrome is the state that players, other than the best flag runner, are left in after a CTF match, derived this from a sudden rant topic by Vociferous, and his subsequent withdrawal from Nexuiz for multiple months by the deletion of his account.

TVR wrote:We managed to make our first player tower of 7 players on Drechloch, our tower was destroyed many times during that match on aneurysm, before we convinced everyone on the server to join on in forming that monument to the community, at the time.

. . .

Vociferous Syndrome is the state that players, other than the best flag runner, are left in after a CTF match, derived this from a sudden rant topic by Vociferous, and his subsequent withdrawal from Nexuiz for multiple months by the deletion of his account.

Is this an inside joke than I'm just on the outside of? You keep making these vague references to a "Monument to the Community" and now a syndrome named after a player.

But as Nexuiz changes drastically over time, no one who posts on this forum plays Nexuiz as a day-to-day game anymore, thus community etiquette is not passed on, rather reinvented through every generation.

The type of game influences the type of community, therefore community behaviour is completely dependant on gameplay in the current Nexuiz version.

Based on my theory of Vociferous Syndrome, I believe no one says 'GG' these days because there are no truly good CTF games, it will always to be an personal steamroll over the players.

You could just as easily be reading the evidence backwards- it might be that if the gameplay doesn't continue to evolve and grow, the old guard will get board of playing the same game forever and leave. Stagnation could cause a more draumatic turn over of the player base.

Either way, how much has really changed? The physics are tweaked here and there, the weapons have become more balanced, so what has been lost?