Hi Guys

Nexuiz gets more and more full with n00bs, nerds and kiddies and the "old" players are nearly gone ... also it is sometimes a pity to see the behaviour of some of these players
And they insult the "old" guys too - what a shame ...

So I founded a Community named OldSchool, where only "old" (longtime) players can join.
In meantime you need to get-off the riff-raff! xD The OldSchool Communtiy is free for all old players, who wanna seperate from the "mainstream" and newbish players. We're all Nexuiz-friends and (more or less xD) well skilled and etablished players

Wanna become an OldSchool Member?
But what is an "old"(school) player? Now here is what characterizes these players:

- you still can deal with names like "Herforst Elite"
- you remember the good ol' times of V2.0
- you know old versions of facing_worlds or greatwall (where in the bunker were a nex >D and invisibility in the lava^^)
- you played once with guys like Bloody Knight, Vladimir, the prototype Kiddie jacke93 (lol), or with one of us^^

- all in all the OldSchool members play Nexuiz since a long (long) time and are friendly and respective to other players

We would be glad, if you wanna join (if you fullfill the points above).
You can visit the [OLDSCHOOL] subforum @ http://www.bot-nexuiz.de.tl

Until now we're proud to have the following players as members of our community:







... and there are some more, that will become OldSchool members soon

greetz

The "good ol' times of V2.0" were a time of bloodbaths, agony, despair, suicides and madness. It was great! XD

Lord Th90 wrote:- you still can deal with names like "Herforst Elite"
- you remember the good ol' times of V2.0
- you know old versions of facing_worlds or greatwall (where in the bunker were a nex >D and invisibility in the lava^^)
- you played once with guys like Bloody Knight, Vladimir, the prototype Kiddie jacke93 (lol), or with one of us^^

No, I do not want to join (my nick already is 63 bytes, cannot add any more tags), but... my comments for that:

- 2.5.* is much better than 2.0, but, the community got worse indeed. 2.0 community with 2.5.* game would WIN
- old facing worlds, CHECK
- old greatwall, CHECK
- bloody knight, vladimir... no idea, don't know them (but did play a bit against you and jacke93, IIRC, but maybe with my old nicks FeuerImLoch or HazukaShii)

Also, you forgot in your list:

- you know XSAX LTU's ICQ number, but never have contacted him with it

I mean, if we want to think of old times, we really cannot ignore XSAX's past of teamkilling, "GAY WIN))", and of course, teamsays with text "gay)) esteel))" when esteel was in the OTHER team.

Really, you should take XSAX as honorary member

Herforst Elite, that's all fine and well... but what about the Zoophilia server

However, I know none of those players you mentioned

why do you list old bots who are usually inactive ? : p

Does Jacke still play nexuiz

I don't know who any of those players are, and I've been playing since 2.1.

The old community was the best though, even when I was a newb, nobody ever called me out on it. Now, I'm called a newb regardless of skill level :/

Another bit of nostalgia:
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4m wrote:The "good ol' times of V2.0" were a time of bloodbaths, agony, despair, suicides and madness. It was great! XD

ouh yeah

2.5.* is much better than 2.0, but, the community got worse indeed. 2.0 community with 2.5.* game would WIN

I havent said, that 2.0 was best ... best one was 2.3

why do you list old bots who are usually inactive ?

1. would it make sense to list old players, which are still active and everyone knows?
2. jacke93 wasnt BOT?! xD
3. i said "or with one of us"
4. ... cause i was @ work as i wrote it and i failed to remeber other names xD

Does Jacke still play nexuiz

never ssen him again ... but i think it would be funny^^

The really oldskool players I remember, are tChr, daedalus, diomedes, dIM, morfar, esteel, Luna, kyre, Strahlemann etc

Don't forget Stryku :)

and kaz, tZork, Asreniel, Daedalus, pol pot, Lardarse, Chozabu, >>ReVeNGeR<< , Gego , Innovati, kozak6, Dresk, Urmel aus dem eis, Ihsan Revenant, PHREAK, Charliebrownau, Shoe , obi_wan, MauveBib, Wazat, tChr.

Also... did greatwall realy have nex in the bunkers? lol, I'd fail on this one

Also, I'd recommend to change your community signature from [ ] to { } , as that's another old-school stuff here.

[ ] = clans
{ } = community

And please don't forget my best, funniest, psychoest and most charming brother EVER: SickChicken aka Zambezi

i use { }

do you need an old greatwall version CB ? i have them

I hope this won't turn into some form of elitism...

I mostly play with the "new" guys, and they're just as good.

Mirio wrote:i use { }

do you need an old greatwall version CB ? i have them

Hehh, no, thx. I've just realised I'm not the original author of Greatwall .

I hope this won't turn into some form of elitism...

I mostly play with the "new" guys, and they're just as good.

Why would? {X} hasn't turned into that either.

C.Brutail wrote:Why would? {X} hasn't turned into that either.

Well, {X} is not permanently closed to newcomers :p

But yes, I understand your point, and you're right, oldschool guys are supposed to be respectful to the more recent guys, as they have some community importance

I might not remember the old versions of maps, the players that sprayed my butt on the walls or 2.0, but I DO remember 1.2.1, just when I started playing . Does that count?

P.S.: divVerent << I remember the "gay)) win" part though.

C.Brutail wrote:and kaz, tZork, Asreniel, Daedalus, pol pot, Lardarse, Chozabu, >>ReVeNGeR<< , Gego , Innovati, kozak6, Dresk, Urmel aus dem eis, Ihsan Revenant, PHREAK, Charliebrownau, Shoe , obi_wan, MauveBib, Wazat, tChr.

Also... did greatwall realy have nex in the bunkers? lol, I'd fail on this one

Also, I'd recommend to change your community signature from [ ] to { } , as that's another old-school stuff here.

[ ] = clans
{ } = community

Yep all these too ^^

I wonder if maybe we could 'fix' the new community by making changes to the game, eg. removing taunts, adding in autokicking for predefined phrases (eg, "wtf", "sucks", "newb", "))", etc.), and maybe adding in some sort of probation feature to servers (rather then permanent ban). There's probably other things that could be done, but just something to think about. We want to have some sort of consequence for not being respectful, while removing any encouragement to be disrespectful from the game, basically.

Oh, and also, maybe have an "auto say 'good game' at the end of each match" setting on the client, turned on by default. Just some thoughts on how we could turn things around.

It started with the inclusion of swearing and insults in this game, "electro-bitch" was the first SFX.

Now 2.5 contains a perversive cocktail of disrespect, from minor aspects such as the phrasing used to log frags, to automated taunts intended to incite animosity.

I have not seen anyone say 'GG' these days, even [PB] has changed to a point where /b/-style random disruption has taken precedence over the Peace, and therefore are unable to form players towers from anything but clones...

As disrespect was developed gradually, building new respect will take time and effort.

TVR wrote:It started with the inclusion of swearing and insults in this game, "electro-bitch" was the first SFX.

Now 2.5 contains a perversive cocktail of disrespect, from minor aspects such as the phrasing used to log frags, to automated taunts intended to incite animosity.

I have not seen anyone say 'GG' these days, even [PB] has changed to a point where /b/-style random disruption has taken precedence over the Peace, and therefore are unable to form players towers from anything but clones...

As disrespect was developed gradually, building new respect will take time and effort.

Agreed, in fact, I think just removing the taunts and such won't be enough, I think we need to do a little bit more to reverse the problems.

I dont see autotaunts etc. as a problem. I find them quite entertaining.

The game is a fairly violent shooter, why bother wrapping that in ribbons and cotton. If people want to disable profane taunts etc. it should be a menu option just like the ability to turn off blood/gibs.

Sepelio wrote:I dont see autotaunts etc. as a problem. I find them quite entertaining.

The game is a fairly violent shooter, why bother wrapping that in ribbons and cotton. If people want to disable profane taunts etc. it should be a menu option just like the ability to turn off blood/gibs.

Ditto.

You folks have lived a sheltered life indeed if you think the Nexuiz community is anything short of care bears with a candy arsenal.

Just go play Tremulous for an hour or post on its forums, you'll cry blood.

Flying Steel wrote:

Sepelio wrote:I dont see autotaunts etc. as a problem. I find them quite entertaining.

The game is a fairly violent shooter, why bother wrapping that in ribbons and cotton. If people want to disable profane taunts etc. it should be a menu option just like the ability to turn off blood/gibs.

Ditto.

You folks have lived a sheltered life indeed if you think the Nexuiz community is anything short of care bears with a candy arsenal.

Just go play Tremulous for an hour or post on its forums, you'll cry blood.

Meh, just case other projects are worse doesn't mean we can't improve things. Even if it's bearable now, it could get worse, and catching this early is essential to stopping the behavior from becoming an epidemic.

Psychcf wrote:

Flying Steel wrote:

Sepelio wrote:I dont see autotaunts etc. as a problem. I find them quite entertaining.

The game is a fairly violent shooter, why bother wrapping that in ribbons and cotton. If people want to disable profane taunts etc. it should be a menu option just like the ability to turn off blood/gibs.

Ditto.

You folks have lived a sheltered life indeed if you think the Nexuiz community is anything short of care bears with a candy arsenal.

Just go play Tremulous for an hour or post on its forums, you'll cry blood.

Meh, just case other projects are worse doesn't mean we can't improve things. Even if it's bearable now, it could get worse, and catching this early is essential to stopping the behavior from becoming an epidemic.

Wait are you implying that any poor behaviour of players in general is stemming from the fact that there are autotaunts etc. in the game?

Come on.... really?

Sepelio wrote:

Psychcf wrote:

Flying Steel wrote:

Sepelio wrote:I dont see autotaunts etc. as a problem. I find them quite entertaining.

The game is a fairly violent shooter, why bother wrapping that in ribbons and cotton. If people want to disable profane taunts etc. it should be a menu option just like the ability to turn off blood/gibs.

Ditto.

You folks have lived a sheltered life indeed if you think the Nexuiz community is anything short of care bears with a candy arsenal.

Just go play Tremulous for an hour or post on its forums, you'll cry blood.

Meh, just case other projects are worse doesn't mean we can't improve things. Even if it's bearable now, it could get worse, and catching this early is essential to stopping the behavior from becoming an epidemic.

Wait are you implying that any poor behaviour of players in general is stemming from the fact that there are autotaunts etc. in the game?

Come on.... really?

I know it seems stupid, but the context has a lot more to do with behavior then you think:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing_Broken_Windows wrote:“Consider a building with a few broken windows. If the windows are not repaired, the tendency is for vandals to break a few more windows. Eventually, they may even break into the building, and if it's unoccupied, perhaps become squatters or light fires inside.

Or consider a sidewalk. Some litter accumulates. Soon, more litter accumulates. Eventually, people even start leaving bags of trash from take-out restaurants there or breaking into cars.”

A successful strategy for preventing vandalism, say the book's authors, is to fix the problems when they are small. Repair the broken windows within a short time, say, a day or a week, and the tendency is that vandals are much less likely to break more windows or do further damage. Clean up the sidewalk every day, and the tendency is for litter not to accumulate (or for the rate of littering to be much less). Problems do not escalate and thus respectable residents do not flee a neighborhood.

The theory thus makes two major claims: that further petty crime and low-level anti-social behavior will be deterred, and that major crime will, as a result, be prevented. Criticism of the theory has tended to focus only on the latter claim.

In this scenario, the broken windows are the little things in the game; the taunts, swearing, etc.

Sepelio wrote:... I dont see autotaunts etc. as a problem. I find them quite entertaining.

The game is a fairly violent shooter, why bother wrapping that in ribbons and cotton...

Flying Steel wrote:... You folks have lived a sheltered life indeed ...

I believe these statements epitome the mindset of players that do not consider Nexuiz as anything more than yet another shooter.

Such players certainly have not experienced every definition of Nexuiz, from Minstagib DM to Herforst CTF, from Nexball to tower-building, from tZork's Zany mod to Dresk's Spidflisk rebalance.

Nexuiz has changed so much from 1.0->1.2.1 w/ gamemode patch->1.5 w/ true-aim->2.0 w/ air-control, entirely revamped interface and balancing-> 2.1 w/ teamplay support now taken for granted, etc.

However, every single person who persisted through the many, many versions of Nexuiz, did so and continue do so because of this unique, multinational, FOSS project's most friendly community on the internet.

TVR wrote:I believe these statements epitome the mindset of players that do not consider Nexuiz as anything more than yet another shooter.

Really? It makes me sad you are trying to discredit my opinion with such a fickle statement.

I've played nexuiz for many years, I couldn't say how many but a lot of it has been on and off. I started getting interested in the community and made this forum account. Then I eventually began to give back to the community with my mapping.

No, sadly I wasn't around for all your glory days on the Herforst CTF server but maybe you should stop living in the past and look to the future. I know there is a lot of very interesting stuff in development at the moment from vehicles to the possiblity of a singleplayer campaign and more. I'm really looking forward to playing with all this stuff and grateful to those who work on it.

A little friendly taunting in the game is hardly going to knock it down when we have a nice, already mature community that is able to discuss these things in the open and promote its positive influence.

As to this broken window thing I really don't see its application to a game. Players are players, the majority don't just sit and play Nexuiz all the time. A lot of smacktardery is imported from other games. That and some people are just asshats.

If people want to be able to turn off little bits of the game then thats fine but I don't want it ruining my gib covered, blood and cursing filled fun fest. Heck, I don't even care if you have this stuff turned off by default as long as it can be enabled.

meh, I guess it's a complex issue. It's possible that the people running the servers are at fault for not monitoring the conversations in the server, but I'm not exactly sure.

Psychcf wrote:meh, I guess it's a complex issue. It's possible that the people running the servers are at fault for not monitoring the conversations in the server, but I'm not exactly sure.

I think the communities seem to vary slightly between countries. You are right though it is something complex to combat. Maybe the time of trying to be nice to everyone on the internet has just run out and we should accept a flaming trolling chaotic future

In terms of people not saying GG etc. I think a lot of it is just due to new players not knowing the etiquette or others choosing to ignore it completely. Many of the latter are unfixable.