Ive been thinking about this for a while i briefly discussed it with morfar and tchr on sunday night, and tonight i talked to green marine about it.


If anyone is interested we were thinking of doing a tournament, size dependent upon how many people sign up.

<GreEn`mArine> only accounts that are valid (same name, email as in ladder, and given valid ID) will be allowed to play


we also said that there would be a deadline period of perhaps 7-14 days for signups so people get a chance to signup.



The tournament would be DOUBLE-ELIMINATION brackets, for you who dont know what this means, if you get beaten on your first game, you'll go into the losers bracket, where you have another chance and will face the loser from a previous game, you can work your way all the way to the losers final if you win all of your next matches, however if you lose again then you are completely knocked out, then the winner of the losers final will play the winner's bracket final in the grande finale.


The tournament would use SET maps for each round, we discussed it as this.


for example

Round 1 (first bracket in winner's bracket) dm03. dm05 : Decider map: extra2

for the next round, e.g Round2 (bracket 2 of winner's and loser bracket).
would be like this


extra2, dm07 Decider: dm09


the deciding map of the round before will be the new starting map of the next round, so the round after round 2 which would be round 3, would use dm09 as the starting map,


for example

dm09, extra1, Decider: dm01


dm01 would be then used in Round4 for the starting map.


so each time a new round comes along the deciding map of the last round is taken off and starts the new map list for the next round.


The maps will be set for each round, thus making the tournament more interesting (and hopefully a few upsets for knocking players out )

It also means players cant demolish you on there homemaps, and we can see who really is well rounder.


Another thing is this, you may be wondering why there is a decider map.


A bracket win, will be a win when an opponent wins BOTH of the maps, if it is 1:1 in maps (frags will not be used to determine who wins, unless if after the 3rd map it was a draw).

So if it is 1:1 in maps, then the decider will be played, in the unfortunate event a map is a draw, the winner be decided on overall frags from the 3 games, this is a bit annoying but since there isnt an overtime feature in nexuiz yet is the only way around it.


This might not make complete sense cause its coming on 4am and i writing this quite rapidly.



Please add your comments/Ideas, this is what we want you to do, so we can adjust things,


Comment on anything you like, but map roster/system, limiting of players able to play or such, please post your views on. And also if you are interested.

"Ære den som æres bør", my grandmother use to say. Wich transletes to something like "honor to those who should be honoured"... Allthoug Its nice to be remembered, I really can't remmeber to being a part of this duiscussion.. However maybe I was really tired So if it was someone else you were talking too, it would be nice to know who, maybe?

I'm in though

I barely have time to play my ladder matches, not a tournament

First of all: we will need a script for this, a already at least half-way finished script. I am not interested (and don't have time) to create a whole new script for this.

In the old forums there was a discussion about starting the ladder (the one which is already running now) and a couple of people were posting in that Thread, and someone also provided an URL to a page that had several ladder/tournament scripts provided. I tried to manually find this page on google, but failed. All ladder/tournament scripts I found were not free.

However: is there a kind of archive of the old forums ? online or locally on one's machine ? if so, please provide me the link (or search in it locally for "ladder", there should be a URL to a (iirc german) php page with almost 15 free ladder/tournament scripts).


Back to the general thing:
The Tournament should be a seperated script, not "connected" (by database) to the ladder. However, when signing up you will have to be a member of the ladder, which means that you
- provide your userID of the ladder
- use the same username as in the ladder when signing up
- use the same email like in the laddder too
- you already must have played at least 2 matches in the ladder

This is needed to make sure that no geeks will sign up who don't give a shit whether they show up at the matches or not

Of course this means that all signups have to be separated and controlled by an admin, but this shouldn't be a problem because there won't be too many signups anyway, I guess.

We might, however, run into problems with the number of players. If there are e.g. 17 valid signups you cannot run a 16player competition anymore but you would have to switch to a 32 player tournament which is crazy because there would be many "default win" rounds (rounds where you don't have an enemy and simply bypass the round)

I suggest to say:
- If the number of signed up players is: 12 < number < 24, use a 16 player tournament. this means that max. 8 players might have to be dropped (this would be the ones who signed up at the latest time)
- if the number is: 24 <= number < 48, a 32 player tournament will be started

I just tried to find an average value between the 16 and 32 player border which would be 24, ifthe number is below 24, keep it a 16 player tournament, if it's bigger (or exactly 24) than 24, have a 32 player tournament with possible default win rounds

m0rfar showed me a very nice Tournament script which I think will be the one to use

get and try it here, if you want:
http://subdevice.org/phpTourney/

i'd would play that for sure! keep up the good work

I would like to clear the situation a bit how the Double Elimination works, because me and morfar don't get a conclusion of it

I tested the script morfar showed me the link of and IMO it's doing wrong when showing the tourney table

Imagine you're at the Last WB and LB round, I call it "WB Final" and "LB Final"

In my opinion, after these two rounds are played, the "consolation final" will be played first. The participants are the LOOSER of the WB Final and the WINNER of the LB Final. The loser of this consolation final get's the third place of the tournament. The winner of this consolation final get's into the "Grand Final" in which he will have to fight the WINNER of the WB Final. The winenr of the Grand Final is #1, the loser is #2.

However, the tourney script things that the Grand final is between the WINNER of the WB Final and the WINNER of the LB Final, which is not correct in my opinion...

Is this right what I'm saying ?

aye it sort of is, but the #3rd place is the loser of the 'winners' final' vs the loser of the LOSERS final, since the loser of the losers final WOULDNT be placed in the top 3 anyway, so it is correct, you would jusy have to creatr a 3rd person playoff seperately(wont be hard, just One match, with 2 players ).


No since, the WINNER of the LOSERS FINAL BRACKET (2 players, against each other, REMEMBER, the winners bracket only HAS ONE FINALIST, the 2 losers highest up in the LOSERS bracket are the players of this game....THE LOSER OF THIS IS KNOCKED OUT...since they LOST AGAIN (oncewhen they got knocked down from winners bracket before, and also now in the LOSERS final...there is no 3rd place (UNLESS YOU WANT THE LOSER OF THE GRANDE FINALE TO PLAY THE LOSER OF THE LOSERS BRACKET...but shouldjt be....the loser of the losers final should AUTO be placed 3rd...leaving the GRANDE FINALE between the 2 PLayers who HAVENT BEEN knockend out more then twice.

okay, yeah, I got it. the mistake I did in my explanation was that I assumed and extra consolation final which isn't really correct, as it would give the one who lost the WB Final and then the LB Final still another chance which can't be true

your explanation is correct.

here is a screenshot of the out that the script creates:


The "Round 2" of the WB is the "WB Final". "admin" wins vs. "albino". this means that now the two participants are set for the "Round 2" of the LB, the "LB Final" or "Consolation Final". the LOSER of this final is out and placed #3rd. The winner of this gets to the Grand Final and plays vs. the Winner of the WB Final, "admin"

Yes, thanks for posting screenshot, so much easier to understand for the other players

A tournament sounds like a great idea. I'd like to see how long I can last. Will the matches be at a scheduled time, or within a general timeframe to be played at both player's convenience?

usually both playes have a defined timeframe of 7 days to find a match date

Great idea, i just hope i have more time for this when its starting then right now

I Guess as soon as green can do some kind of signup/Looked at a double bracket system he can use?

yea green?

I fear that this shown script has enough other bugs which prevent us to use it further

and looking at and testing the script needs a lot of time which I am not willing to spend at the moment

since I'm doing this kind of "work" that so many others do as well, I'm talking about sitting in front of a computer and doing stuff there, I finally have also time to do things like spamming the forums (:D) or do more reasonable things like coding the nexuiz ladder.

First of all, the Nexuiz Multi-Ladder system is going to be opened soon, in a few weeks. This will allow us to have several ladders at once hosted on a single page, including 1on1 and team vs. team ladders.

However, this is the "tournament" thread and I spent some time to test the phpTourney script again, especially because it received 1-2 bugfix releases in the mean time.

Either way, now I think that this tourney system is usable and suitable for our needs.

There are things that already have been discussed here, and some that still need to be, e.g. whether the original design (which really isn't the best) should be kept or not, or the mappool, etc.

About the things we already discussed:
After the script is running people will sign up there. After signing up they will have to send a mail to a given email address, including this:

- provide your userID of the nex 1on1 ladder
- use the same username as in the ladder when signing up on the tourney page
- use the same email like in the laddder too
- you already must have played at least 2 matches in the ladder
- send the email with the email account used for signing up on tourney (which must be the same email you use in the nex 1on1 ladder) to verify your identity

This is needed to make sure that no geeks will sign up who don't give a shit whether they show up at the matches or not

The mappool is not defined yet. If not enough maps are available (which depends on the number of signup because this number defines the number of played rounds) we will use maps twice (e.g. in decider map of round 1 and as map1 of round2)

I think it's best not to limit the number of signups. if there are e.g. 18 signups we will start a 32-player braket (with the setting that double-elimibation will start at 16 players and not right at the beginning/first round). of course this will mean to have a lot of default wins in the first round, however this won't hurt.

so what do you think ?

I hope I got the system right, and I'm convinced it will turn out fine anyway.

Nevertheless, call me a party pooper, I don't think starting the tournament within the next few weeks will be a big effort. Look at the ladder, atm hardly any matches fought. Don't kill your valuable work by starting at the wrong time.

How about a beta-phase where a selected circle can test it, then officially start it in the middle of october when there's more ppl stop enjoying summertime and return to their rigs?

I'll launch the nexuiz ladder first anyway before starting any "real" work for the tournament

How about a beta-phase where a selected circle can test it, then officially start it in the middle of october when there's more ppl stop enjoying summertime and return to their rigs?

do you talk about a beta-phase for the ladder or for the tourney ?

Shit, I KNEW I'd muddle up something again

Courze I ws talking about the Tournament

Well the problem with using ladder accounts is that it will seriously limit the number of players in the tournament. I know its a good idea to make sure that people will show up but maybe thats a bit too harsh.
Just compare the number of people in this forum to that in the ladder. I think if that tournament was announced here it might get quite a response. (Or not ) What i would find cool is to accept players that donate 5euro to Nexuiz (or the tournament). Kind of a entry fee. But that will limit the tournament also. Is there some easy way for this?

I agree with esteel that it is harsh. Donating money to play is even more harsh I don't really have any better idea atm...

And I agree with Urmel that we have 1 or 2 test tournament(s) first, to see if it works ok, and maybe spot some bugs in the script..

When it comes to the elimination rules - I don't know. And how about seedings and stuff... I don't know how that works either

well, I studied the script a bit and I think it won't be THAT a big problem. There are certainly bugs in it but if the sign-up procedure is done correctly and if you don't do certain things (that actually aren't supposed to be a problem but some things hurt the system ^^, I had a situation where I had 4 signups but when I created the bracket only three players were in^^) the script should work as normal.

maybe someone could do a nice design for it ? would be awesome

All sounds cool at the moment.


Seeding wise, i'd prefer this but this just my oppinion.

Randomly matching pairs could be an idea also.

If you seed, you could do it via the ladder, or get someone like morfar or green to use there judgement on who should be seeded where.

I think a Tournament is a great idea!!
Some said they have no time for a Tournament because they have to their ladder matches but i think if they want they can do both a Tournamentmatch could be a ladder match.

i'm in?

sparks wrote:i'm in?

No. There is no tournament atm.