There's obviously a divide between people who like CTF with the hook and people who think the hook cheapens CTF down to whoever knows where to hit, but I was thinking today about how it could be balanced in the same way the UT games balance CTF with the translocater: if you pick up the enemy flag and use the hook, you drop the flag. It seems like this could even it out a bit, allowing for the crazy acrobatics that the hook allows for without making CTF matches ridiculous. It'd probably have to be an svar so that admins who want unrestricted grappling can keep it.

I dont like it. Then noone would capture the flag, because the enemy could get to your base much faster than you could. IMO, the solution seems to be to add support for more weapons somehow, and one of those would be a grapple gun. that way you would either use grapple or a wep, not both. Support for additional weapons would have the added benefit of being able to have more weapons such as a superweapon?
Apparently tho, this is harder than it sounds.

I guess in some maps, especially close quarters, such a solution would work better than others, such as facing worlds.

People manage to capture the flag quite adequately despite this limitation in UT. This is what having a team is for. Maybe adding support for more weapons is a better long-term solution, but I don't think this is a bad idea; especially if it's an svar.

His point is one that I didn't take into consideration: The translocater is a separate weapon and not something that can be used with a usable gun at the same time. A grappling weapon is something that could be pretty useful, but the way it's looking it'll be 3.0 before we see something like that put in.

Is there any timeframe on 3.0, incidentally? I'm looking forward to it (:

I'd imagine it's going to be a "when it's done" thing, or at least a "when we get on a roll adding enough features that it justifies a major version jump" like 2.0 ended up being.

well, eggs and bacon is nearly impossible to do without the grappling hook. Facing worlds can add some exelent strategies with a grapple, also. In my oppinion, it's kind of like spawn camping. It's a part of the game, deal with it. And if it really is an issue, why didn't the map designer prevent that kind of thing from happening?

Actually, I believe he did. You ever try to swing from the tops of the pyramids or under the holes on facing? Yup, you die. Even tho I dont mind, w/ grapple isnt the way facing is "meant" to be played.

Flag capping at egg and bacon is doable if you can laserjump, especially if you pick up health or armor.

I'd say get rid of the g_hoo_tarzen 1. That's stupid. Normal hook is much better imho.
Also, I don't like the idea dropping the flag while hooking.
The best solution: Server admins should enable hook only on those maps, that are hook friendly. Definately NOT "Facing Worlds" and "Egg and Beacon".

Making the flag drop when grappling is harsh and also frustrating till you 'get' why its happening. I'd rather see the hook block all other guns or make it a real 'weapon grapple' so that you will have to switch to the 'grapple gun' like it was proposed by others already. I like this idea more and more each day. Nexuiz is already a very fast game and the hook really makes it insanely fast. Making it a gun of its own or the secondary fire mode for the laser would be ok. But that will look a bit strange currently. It can be made look at with CSQC. So if enough people like it to block the other guns from firing that might be worth to try.

C.Brutail wrote:I'd say get rid of the g_hoo_tarzen 1. That's stupid. Normal hook is much better imho.
Also, I don't like the idea dropping the flag while hooking.
The best solution: Server admins should enable hook only on those maps, that are hook friendly. Definately NOT "Facing Worlds" and "Egg and Beacon".

Agree! The current hooks is terribly bad, tarzan is lame. The old hooker was much better. If there would been a poll the hook would have stayed like it was.
So, bring back the old hook! now!

I think the tarzan hook makes it a lot more fun to use, but to each his own.

Flag dropping would confuse people initially, but lots of people are confused by how others can jump so high in the air without cheating or about what the grappling hook even is in the first place. They're all just gameplay mechanics that the players have to get used to.

As I always say...have it as an option for the server admin.

It IS an option for the server admin..
exec newhook.cfg
exec oldhook.cfg
g_grappling_hook 0/1

I second the recommendation for a "g_dropflag_when_grappling" flag.