Don't you people think the mortar secondary shoots too far and too fast?
I find it incredibly difficult to use in a meaningful way, you either get a direct hit (i mean hit someone while the nade is still moving, usually someone who's chasing you), or if you want to spam an area and hope your enemy walks on your granades, you either know the right spots on a map PERFECTLY since a slighly wrong angle can screw it up completely, or just have to rely on luck.
Also this makes granade jumping nearly impossible, since it's very hard to reach your granede before it detonates
And it's way too easy to hit yourself with a misfired nade that bounces around the map to end up blowing right behind you
On the other hand, i can't imagine a situation where spamming that far could be useful.

I'm not saying to make it very short range like Q3's GL (the electro does an excellent job at that) but slightly more controllable nades would be killer

And, of course, don't touch the primary, it's perfect already

cheers

Don't you people think the mortar secondary shoots too far and too fast?

I agree. The Spidflisk Mod (Deathmatch, USA NJ) already has incorporated a modified version of the mortar secondary. I think you'll like it. Check it out and give some feedback here.

Ok i've tried the mod it and, yeah i like the modified mortar (the smoke trail is a nice feature too).
The ladck of newtonian physics makes it difficult to use sometimes though, and I wouldn't mind if it had a bit longer range
I like also th e rduced effectiveness of blown up rockets, less laser damage and the visible player spawns among other things, but overall i found the mod to be unplayable due to movement
Is the point to encourage jumping by making walking on the ground a pain?

but overall i found the mod to be unplayable due to movement Sad
Is the point to encourage jumping by making walking on the ground a pain? Smile

No that's not the point. Its intended to be faster gameplay, which Spidflisk more than accomplishes. Strange, once I began to get used to standard Nexuiz I found Spidflisk and loved it just for the movement. Really the majority of players don't like Spidflisk because of the Movement and that's sad because it has over 100 other changes (players never even recognize as most are detail driven). Anyway there's only 1 cvar that tweaks the movement where people don't like. This is sv_friction 3...Nexuiz default is 5. Granted when first playing the mod it might be a little hard to get used to, but give it time and it'll come naturally.

Again, if anyone would like to play the mod with more firction (closer to Nexuiz standard) then just ask me and I'll hop on with you and change the cvar. I'm sure you'll find the mod more enjoyable without it.

The ladck of newtonian physics makes it difficult to use sometimes though, and I wouldn't mind if it had a bit longer range

Not sure what you mean pertaining to newtonian when using the mortar secondary. If I were going fast enough for that to come into play, I doubt I'd even use the secondary. The range of the secondary was something that Dresk and I played with for a couple hours one night trying to get it just right. The whole point of not giving it the range that it used to have was that players would just spam the secondary hoping to hit anything out of sheer luck. The mortar secondary now was just tweaked more for a defensive weapon than anything else. Although, I do try to use it for mid-air frags as its much easier to do that now.

Maybe it had something to do with lag as well (i'm in italy) but i just found movement to be too... well... laggy
I mean, i had have to press my movement keys ahead of 1/2 a second to go approximately where i wanted
How instead about a command to lower the player's friction (+slide!!!) ?

Isn't Spidflisk the mod where it feels like you are playing on ice?

Isn't Spidflisk the mod where it feels like you are playing on ice?

Yes, and again, its just the friction that makes it that way. Honestly, I don't see why people have so much trouble with it, as I never did.

I think that it messses everyone up because it's so different.

Outside of a few ice levels or levels with ice, slipping and sliding around is something you almost never see in a first person shooter. Connecting to a Spidflisk server could very well be the first time a player has had to deal with such a thing.

It also gives the player much less control, so basic manuever and tricks from vanilla Nexuiz don't work or are made more difficult, and that can be very frustrating.

And for ppl with high pings it's totally uncontrolable. (bumping into walls all the time is not so much fun...)

Ha ha ha!! Now i understand!
I've seen a demo of Dresk playing his mod. Just mindblowing Best. Player. Evahhh!!!
No wonder he doesn't worry about friction, i wouldn't too if i could play like that

But still, having played on a european spidflisk server without lag, to me reduced friction is more of a hindrance, and i can't really understand what its benefits are supposed to be. Most of the other changes are really sweet though, the higher and faster jumps, instant weapon switching (man, Dresk sure knows how to make a combo ), animations, etc..
Ironically the mortar's secondary shot is one of the things that i would need more getting used to as its use is very different in spidflisk. Namely it's pretty difficult to shoot nades to high places (i kept trying to move forward and jump to gain a bit more range, that's why i earlier mentioned the lack of newtonian physics).
And what KadaverJack said is very true

s3cc0 wrote:Ha ha ha!! Now i understand!
I've seen a demo of Dresk playing his mod. Just mindblowing Best. Player. Evahhh!!!
No wonder he doesn't worry about friction, i wouldn't too if i could play like that

But still, having played on a european spidflisk server without lag, to me reduced friction is more of a hindrance, and i can't really understand what its benefits are supposed to be. Most of the other changes are really sweet though, the higher and faster jumps, instant weapon switching (man, Dresk sure knows how to make a combo ), animations, etc..
Ironically the mortar's secondary shot is one of the things that i would need more getting used to as its use is very different in spidflisk. Namely it's pretty difficult to shoot nades to high places (i kept trying to move forward and jump to gain a bit more range, that's why i earlier mentioned the lack of newtonian physics).
And what KadaverJack said is very true

I've never seen any of this demos.

Links?

Connecting to a Spidflisk server could very well be the first time a player has had to deal with such a thing.

Well if they read the server name and also the connection screen, they'll see that this is a modification of the standard Nexuiz. So I don't see how this is a problem.

It also gives the player much less control, so basic manuever and tricks from vanilla Nexuiz don't work or are made more difficult, and that can be very frustrating.

I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean here. I consider myself well versed in most of the Nexuiz moves/tricks/skill and I have no trouble performing on Spidflisk. I would need an example of precisely which maneuver's or tricks you're having problems with. The less control part is not exactly correct. The player just needs to be more aware of their surrondings/movement. I'll be the first to say that Spidflisk probably isn't for the newer Nexuiz players or for newer fps gamers, but for those who have been playing for some time now, it shouldn't be that difficult.

All I'm saying is that Spidflisk, aside from the friction which everyone seems to hate (excluding me) is really a great mod. You honestly can't tell me all you noticed about Spidflisk was the friction?

And for ppl with high pings it's totally uncontrolable. (bumping into walls all the time is not so much fun...)

I'll just agree with you here as I've never played it with a high ping. I don't doubt it though, however, g_antilag is not on so that may be some of the problem. But, if server closer to those who have a high ping would run the mod then that would solve the problem. I know Ronan put up a Spidflisk Mod server, which is currently located in France.

my movement is delayed on this server, as if the server would forbid cl_movement

besides, just fyi: g_antilag just deals with the nexgun/MG/shotgun shots to get re-aimed because of lag, it doesn't have anything to do with movement.

k0jak wrote:I've never seen any of this demos.

Links?

http://www.teamk1gaming.com/Dresk/Nexuiz/ForDoku.dem

ahh, I remember that demo

That was my first real experience playing an advanced player. Well, that and playing the spidflisk mod. I didn't know how to laser jump very well and I was pretty much only good with the RL. I didn't know jack about map control or weapons combos. Man that was a mind-expanding experience to see that.

I couldn't tell how much of that domination was from the mod and the low ping time for Dresk until I saw the demo. It definitely showcases Dresk's skill. It's good to see demos like this because it provides a good goal to aim for.

BTW, did you know that Dresk is going to be in the North American 1v1 Tourney
This is a big deal because he doesn't even like normal Nexuiz gameplay, and he had basically given up on playing Nexuiz recently. Somehow, he agreed to participate. I'm very happy about that. I expect to see him vs Usil in the finals.