I don't know if this has changed with 2.4.1, or if it's some different graphics settings on my part, but lately I pretty much can't see a player that has invisibility, even if I'm right in front of them. There's still something, but if I don't see them shooting, I'll likely miss them.

I don't think that is all that great. Especially on instagib where 30 sec. of invisibility can give a serious frag boost.

- This might be a thing for the mappers but I also think the 3 extra lives you get with extra health is also too much of an edge for just picking up one item.

It has not changed, but yes, invisibility should make players "mostly invisible". IMHO players still are TOO visible with it...

Also, this item is a powerup, which doesn't spawn very often. This status is reserved for such strong items. Just like that "megahealth" like item in minstagib is a powerup.

One could however argue that the shield powerup is too weak compared to the other two. To that I agree, but think of someone having speed AND invisibiity... that guy will be mostly invincible.

Well, everybody knows I spend almost every lunch break on DCC Pussy delight, together with my colleague. He knows the location of the powerups on every map, and he knows the fastest way to get there from the beginning.

Other than in RL, his type of gameplay isn't very gentlemanlike and he uses his knowledge and skills the same way against noobs and experienced players. He's a typefragger and scaring unexperienced players off the server. Okay, I'm moving off topic.

I rather agree with oskar, the invisibility powerup makes players too invisible with the current version. And yet it spawns as often as other powerups do.

But hey, we're talking about Minstagib, a mode where stuff like "fairness" or "balance" shouldn't be discussed too serious.

Minstagib with powerups is joke in itself. Whole mode is made to improve aim.

Alien wrote: Whole mode is made to improve aim.

By that logic, CTF was invented to improve teamplay.

I pretty much can't see a player that has invisibility

ZOMG horrid bug !!11one

Seriously tough.. what did you expect?

And alien, i never knew you invented mInstgib! (how else would you know the purpose of it.. oh wait are we expressing personal opinions as absolute facts again?) And, How does the ammo drops help your aim?

Minsta is insta + resources. Insta definition from wp:

Since there are no other weapons, ammo or other types of pickups to collect, gameplay tends to be very fast-paced with a heavy emphasis on reflexes, hand-eye coordination and positioning, as opposed to resource management and control.

PunkRabbit wrote:

Alien wrote: Whole mode is made to improve aim.

By that logic, CTF was invented to improve teamplay.

I would like to think so.




DISCLAIMER: all my statements are personal opinions and should not be considered unqestionable facts.

Nope, that's not 100% full correct for minstagib. In minsta, you have ammo for only 10 shots, so you can't spam with the minstanex. If you're out of ammo, you'll be auto-killed in 5 seconds (iirc), so you need to pickup the others' nexes to gain more ammo.
Speed makes you faster, but if you jump, you jump higher and float down slowly, making you a vulnareble target.
Invisibility is fun

Btw. I had a good laugh on the "disclaimer"

tZork wrote:

I pretty much can't see a player that has invisibility

ZOMG horrid bug !!11one

Seriously tough.. what did you expect?

I expect it to make you more opaque, not completely invisible. In Q3 I think total invisibility was fine because it was only spawned on CTF maps, and you became visible once you carried the flag. On instagib you can go on a serious killing spree with it.
Same with +3 lifes - this one is even worse in 1:1.

But hey, we're talking about Minstagib, a mode where stuff like "fairness" or "balance" shouldn't be discussed too serious.

I can't agree with this. I think it's the purest game mode. Not very balanced if you're talking about balance between skill levels, but it's the game mode with the least amount of luck involved, and where players who know a map would not have a serious advantage, if it weren't for the powerups.

Alien didn't invent Minstagib. That was tChr. So he's the one to blame. And we might ask him to decide about the grade of invisibilitynessicity.

Alien wrote:Minstagib with powerups is joke in itself. Whole mode is made to improve aim.

I disagree i like powerups in minstagib.

Urmel wrote:Alien didn't invent Minstagib. That was tChr. So he's the one to blame. And we might ask him to decide about the grade of invisibilitynessicity.

It's fine imo, it's a powerup..you get it, you use it, it lasts 30 seconds like the others.

Stop blaming experienced players for knowing where they are / how to get them. (and this comment isn't aimed at you urmel, i was just quoting your line for the first line of my reply )

I don't think anyone is blaming anyone else. I know where they are on most maps - so I can get as much of an edge from them as anybody else - but I think the edge they provide for any single game is too much.
If I get the timing right and pick up the majority of the powerups, I can beat much better players than myself.
This is not about getting owned and complaining about it. I just think they miss the point of instagib.

Nub here, Whats "Instagib".

Insta-gib is any mode where the weapon is 1 hit kill (you are instantly turned into a heap of gibs). Usually, it's played with a hitscan weapon, like the nexgun. In Nexuiz, instagib with the nexgun is called 'minstagib'

I don't know if this was changed or if I did something in my graphics settings (I think I didn't have HDR on when I posted this, now I have) - but invisibility was perfectly fine in the games I played recently - mostly CTF. - Not completely invisible but reasonably camouflaged.