Hi guys,

I was attracted to your game cause a it was free :p, and B cause it claimed to run on low spec PC's.

Now I have:
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.8GHz and 2 of them apparently.
2.5 gigs of RAM,
GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X

Running Vista Ultimate

Which from your information should run nexuiz. Now I've updated the drivers and everything, tried some of the scripts on the forums but nothing I seem to do works.

My issue is that the game runs at an FPS in the range of 1 to 16 and I can't see any of the bots in singleplayer (havent even attempted multiplayer) the mouse is terribly slow even on the menu's having to wait up to 1/2 a second till it updates/moves on screen.

So what I really want to know is what you guys did to make the game run on this:
Low Quality
- 1 Ghz Pentium III or AMD Athlon
- Geforce2 Video card
- 512 MB of ram

As stated on your info page.

Thanks in advance!

Being a HC linux fan, I'd say it's Vista + sucky drivers.
Btw these are the lowest specs I'd dare to run Nexuiz on:

http://www.forums.alientrap.local/viewtopi ... 5053#15053

Anyway, I'd say somehow OpenGL is still not working on that box, that's why you get so low FPS.

Vista drivers, almost certainly. If you're not even seeing other players, there's something definitely wrong with OpenGL rendering.

I've had Nexuiz just about playable on a Penitum 3 550 with a Geforce FX5600.

I've also run a set of experiments with an Athlon XP2400+ with a Geforce256 and a Radeon 9000 under Win2K and both were playable on lower settings so it's not beyond the hardware.

Where have you updated your graphics card drivers from? The drivers MS supplies are broken for OpenGL. If you got them from nVIDIA, there may be some massive holes in nVIDIA's Geforce 4 support for Vista. Looking at nVIDIA's driver support pages, they don't list Vista as being supported for the Geforce 4 so anything you do get working would be a bonus.

Thanks for the reply, I think im over those specs.

Personally I'd like to blame it on vista drivers too, cause before we upgraded I ran TF2 with no problems on XP.

With OpenGL, I would have thought that if it wasn't working I would see nothing?
In any case I'll have a look into that as an issue.

Ah thanks Ed. I ran into that info just after.

Looks like I'll have to dual-boot XP - or maybe I'll do linux, bin thinkin that for a while.

Damn windows and damn NVIDIA!!!

I don't know how that works,but low FPS on a good pc even in the menu surely indicates the lack of opengl acceleration.

Yea pretty much thats it, Vista doesn't support OpenGL for my graphics card. And my graphics card is not supported by NVIDIA for Vista either. So it was probably a miracle I could load the menu!

I'm dual booting my PC to have Linux TODAY! then some of my problems may get solved.

Then again it might not, but not much lost, I get linux, and I still have other PC's I can play on - just want this one working for my siblings so we can play it on lan...

the latest driver from nvidia does not support your card any more? they already discontinued geforce4 drivers too?

Right. The oldest generation that's listed on their Windows driver download section is the GF4. If you want a Vista driver, you need at least a Geforce FX (5). The "most current" Vista driver for older Geforces is version 96.85, for XP it's the 175.16 which sucks for the old cards anyway, or let's say every AGP card. I strongly recommend to use a version 93.71 or older. And so does Nvidia

Just checked - indeed, damn nvidia. No vista drivers for a GF4 card.

Even Linux 64bit is supported for them...

Just to try and give some clarification on older nVIDIA cards not being supported, they do have a system for dropping support for older cards in groups.

Up until about Forceware 75 (version varies by OS) all TNT and Geforce cards were supported. I say all but there are possible issues with obscure implementations like some of their rarer onboard efforts.

Around Forceware 75 they dropped support for all TNT cards, all Geforce256 and all non-MX Geforce 2's. The Geforce 2 MX continued to be supported as there production life was so long. If you have one of these cards, the 71 series is the latest with official support.

Windows 9x/ME was dropped during Forceware 80.

During the release life of the Geforce 95 series support for all other Geforce 2s, Geforce 3s and non-MX Geforce 4s was dropped. For one of these cards, the 96 series will be the latest.

Windows 2000 was also officially dropped from the 2k/XP driver around the same time meaning that although you can get the driver working, the control panel doesn't work. Why they came up with the new control panel I really can't explain. It does less than the old display properties dialogue, more than doubles the download size and doesn't work on Windows 2000. Draw your own conclusions.

They seem to have very recently dropped the Geforce FX series although not properly acknowledged it. The latest Linux driver is incompatible with the FX5600 I have tried it with.

nVIDIA's driver pages aren't always that great. In particular some of their local sites show different drivers as being appropriate for different systems. Their Linux pages are better however, this does something to explain it all:

Linux IA32
Latest Version: 177.82
Latest Legacy GPU version (71.86.xx series): 71.86.06
Latest Legacy GPU version (96.43.xx series): 96.43.07
Latest Legacy GPU version (173.14.xx series): 173.14.12

http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

So there we see the four tiers of support, Geforce 6-GTX, TNT-Geforce 2 Ultra, Geforce 2 MX-Geforce 4, Geforce 4 MX-Geforce FX.

Latest driver for FX (5xxx) cards in windows:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_175.19_whql.html
In linux:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_disp ... 14.12.html

In the end I got linux installed, but it made a bit of a hash with my vista, due to some odd setup of vista. And it works there.

Thanks guys!

use winxp or 2000, your computer is entirely too dated to expect remotely playable performance from any game under vista

Xanetia wrote:In the end I got linux installed

Welcome to the land of the free

[-z-] wrote:

Xanetia wrote:In the end I got linux installed

Welcome to the land of the free

you mean the land of having to find working drivers and games that will actually work on linux?

im all for linux, but a dual boot with linux + winxp/win2k is ideal