Obi: So do I get this straight? This only happens online, right ? Playing on a "Create Game" listenserver is fine?

If not, something else is wrong, and that would be your FPS/Graphics card

Esteel, Green,

- I once more installed version 2.3 in a clean directory
- I created a public server (no other players) and had a frame rate between 100-150 (standard video settings, did not change a thing)
- I joined a RBI server, and as soon as a few players are on the screen, frame rate drops to 30-40
- Created a public server (with 8 bots) and had severe frame rate drops till 35 fps
- Tried the same (8 bots) with 2.2.3 only drops to +- 65 fps

I have a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro running w2k. AMD Athlon64 3500+, 1 GIG RAM

Yesterday I thought that it was network related, but now it seems that I have problems with rendering the player models? Something changed related to them?

Urmel seems to have similar problems.. the only idea i have right now is to test gl_vbo 0 and see if that helps. Should work instantly but maybe a vid_restart is a good idea..

trying another mod_q3bsp_lightmapmergepower could be worth a try too. default is 4 iirc. It combines the small 128x128 q3bsp lightmaps into larger maps. 4 = 2048x2048. trying 1-3 may be a good idea.

mod_q3bsp_lightmapmergepower 3 is default.. 4 is default in darkplaces, we lowered it in Nexuiz to help cards with low gfx memory already. Even lower settings should not help but as we are out of ideas its worth trying never the less.

I asked urmel to test gl_vbo 0;gl_lockarrays 0; mod_q3bsp_lightmapmergepower 1; r_cullentities_trace 0; vid_restart .. that should restore about all changed variables to 2.2.3 defaults but he said it did not change a bit for him. But please try and see if it changes anything for you..

Well there were some furtger changes to the rendering parts, maybe divVerent can make new engine builds so you two can test if those help..

Esteel,

Setting gl_vbo 0 seems to work: playing on the RBI server is now possible (when I scared them away) stood still and watched the FPS: 360. Setting gl_vbo back to 1: FPS 60.

At first sight its playable again for me.

Thx very much!!!!

Obi[BE]: Interesting.. how much memory does your graphic card have? VBOs should add a few megabyte and LordHavoc thinks it might be too much then for your graphic card..
If its really the graphic memory trying gl_picmip 5 should reduce gfx memory usage enough to make gl_vbo 1 work. Can you please test that? If so changes from today might help. (reduced gfx memory usage A LOT)

Oh which graphic card do you have?

esteel wrote:Obi[BE]: Interesting.. how much memory does your graphic card have? VBOs should add a few megabyte and LordHavoc thinks it might be too much then for your graphic card..
If its really the graphic memory trying gl_picmip 5 should reduce gfx memory usage enough to make gl_vbo 1 work. Can you please test that? If so changes from today might help. (reduced gfx memory usage A LOT)

Oh which graphic card do you have?

Can I ask a question? What are VBOs?

Edit, Also what is the default of gl_picmip 5?

Obi[BE] wrote:I have a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro running w2k. AMD Athlon64 3500+, 1 GIG RAM

vid RAM should be 128MB then...

Well, I started my testing phase yesterday and had some support from esteel then (thenx!).

My Hardware: Intel E4300@2.1GHz, 2gigs RAM, GF7600GT/256MB PCIe

First I was playing on 2 public servers with mid.cfg and gibs enabled. Performance was really awful. I had about 35fps and that sucked. A short visit on an RBI server (populated by one bot) wasn't better. After a few settings which I don't remember exactly I ran around on the DCC 1on1 server and compared it to my 2.23 version with the same graphics settings.

Okay, performance boost is something different, the new version is rather a little slower in performance. Not very pleasant, but, so what, I don't suffer performance problems anyway.

Another thing is problems with the internet connection. I somehow feel that the gameplay is much better now, as there weren't any noticeable lags anymore. Hell YEAH!

Another thing: As it seems, I don't have to disable one of the two CPU cores anymore. Okay, I'm not so sure yet.

I hope I can try the new version at noon on my company PC which is weaker than the one at home and has a much worse internet connection quality. I'm all on edge

Urmel... wrote:Another thing is problems with the internet connection. I somehow feel that the gameplay is much better now, as there weren't any noticeable lags anymore. Hell YEAH!

Yes, there were larger engine improvements in this respect.

Another thing: As it seems, I don't have to disable one of the two CPU cores anymore. Okay, I'm not so sure yet.

THAT, however, can't be - there were no changes about that. Maybe a system update fixed that?

divVerent wrote:

Urmel... wrote:Another thing: As it seems, I don't have to disable one of the two CPU cores anymore. Okay, I'm not so sure yet.

THAT, however, can't be - there were no changes about that. Maybe a system update fixed that?

Nopez - I switched between the two versions all the time. Might be just by accident, but maybe the new version just calls my system more to duty, so, we'll see

Maybe r_cullentities_trace eats some more CPU and "fixes" that

Altobe wrote:]Can I ask a question? What are VBOs?
Edit, Also what is the default of gl_picmip 5?

VBO = vertex buffer objects, that feature is now used in the new release to speed up rendering.
Default for gl_picmip is 0 in the engine and (currently) 1 in Nexuiz to lower texture usage a bit. But with the HUGE memory savings from yesterday we also use 0 in the next beta for the default settings.

esteel wrote:Obi[BE]: Interesting.. how much memory does your graphic card have? VBOs should add a few megabyte and LordHavoc thinks it might be too much then for your graphic card..
If its really the graphic memory trying gl_picmip 5 should reduce gfx memory usage enough to make gl_vbo 1 work. Can you please test that? If so changes from today might help. (reduced gfx memory usage A LOT)

Oh which graphic card do you have?

As mentionned ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, 128 MB RAM.
I have just upgraded my ATI drivers (from version 6.2 to 7.2) and now things are better, even with gl_vbo 1. However, it was still choppy playing online. Setting cl_movement_minping to 10 made things better. So the current state is that 2.3 is playable, but still not as good as 2.2.3.

Yesterday i was able to test the new beta (or alpha?) version online. It did run very smooth. No lags. Not even in full games. I am quite impressed.

I hope 2.3 will be released soon.

Good work, you nice developers!

there seems to be a problem with looping world sounds in this test version. at first i thought it was a radiant problem, and then i tried loading the same bsp file into 2.2.3 and the sounds worked again.

if you are aware of it and have a corrected test version, please upload...

i'm compiling all of my maps into a single map pack PK3, and getting it ready to release in sync with the 2.3 release of nexuiz.

70MM13_13 (my final map) will require nexuiz 2.3 to work, it is very shader intensive.

PS: it would be great if you also enabled crushing damage from lifts and plats and func_rotating! there is a warning sign on 70mm13_05 that is lying right now :P

thanks

70mm13 wrote:there seems to be a problem with looping world sounds in this test version. at first i thought it was a radiant problem, and then i tried loading the same bsp file into 2.2.3 and the sounds worked again.

PS: it would be great if you also enabled crushing damage from lifts and plats and func_rotating! there is a warning sign on 70mm13_05 that is lying right now

I'm not aware of problems with looping world sounds, can we see the map were it has problems?

The latter should also work, but you might need to set damage values for the crushers.

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/*QUAKED func_rotating (0 .5 .8) ? - - X_AXIS Y_AXIS
Brush model that spins in place on one axis (default Z).
speed   : speed to rotate (in degrees per second)
noise   : path/name of looping .wav file to play.
dmg     : Do this mutch dmg every .dmgtime intervall when blocked
dmgtime : See above.
*/

pretty much all of my 70mm13 maps have looping world sounds in them, so take your pick...

i sent you an email with some details

thanks,
70mm13

Any idea why my Team Message binds are gone? The files are still there, and they worked perfectly in 2.2.3.

No idea, what are these binds?

i guess those: http://forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?p=16996#16996
But after a quick look i see no reason why they should not still work.

And that sound bug reported by 70mm13 is already fixed, and i added code to make func_bob damage blocking players too if they have dmg/dmgtime set.

torus wrote:Any idea why my Team Message binds are gone? The files are still there, and they worked perfectly in 2.2.3.

Are you sure that all your cfg files are in the data directory of 2.3? Do your other settings and binds work the way they should?

Xeno The Blind wrote:Are you sure that all your cfg files are in the data directory of 2.3? Do your other settings and binds work the way they should?

No need to.. on Mac and Linux data is also read and stored from ~/.nexuiz/data which he has.

I haven't played with 2.3 too much yet, but I must say it looks nice so far. Thanks to the performance improvements I am FINALLY able to play with every setting on/at full with a decent frame rate (I run the game with a Geforce 7900GS). Granted, some levels get better frame rates than others (Basement seems to get poor performance in every version, but it's getting better.) The Nex especially looks awesome with its gloss.

One thing though, is there a way to turn off the "TESTING ONLY" text in the corner? It's hard to read chat messages in the lower-left corner with that text constantly on top.

P.S. I notice the occasional "outlines" mentioned earlier, most notably on the electro.

ASL wrote:
One thing though, is there a way to turn off the "TESTING ONLY" text in the corner? It's hard to read chat messages in the lower-left corner with that text constantly on top.

Open the console and write:

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seta showbrand 0

Altobe wrote:

ASL wrote:
One thing though, is there a way to turn off the "TESTING ONLY" text in the corner? It's hard to read chat messages in the lower-left corner with that text constantly on top.

Open the console and write:

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seta showbrand 0

Or better yet, stick that line in your autoexec.cfg.

torus wrote:

Altobe wrote:

ASL wrote:
One thing though, is there a way to turn off the "TESTING ONLY" text in the corner? It's hard to read chat messages in the lower-left corner with that text constantly on top.

Open the console and write:

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seta showbrand 0

Or better yet, stick that line in your autoexec.cfg.

I have 1st problem with nexuiz 2.3 (i have windows xp)

all the times i try run demo4 (default demo) nexuiz crash
in event cronology i have this information about the error (i hope is helpfull):

Application Error

of nexuiz.exe, version 1.0.0.0,
module nexuiz.exe, versione 1.0.0.0,
error adress 0x00064500

Data:
0000: 41 70 70 6c 69 63 61 74 Applicat
0008: 69 6f 6e 20 46 61 69 6c ion Fail
0010: 75 72 65 20 20 6e 65 78 ure nex
0018: 75 69 7a 2e 65 78 65 20 uiz.exe
0020: 31 2e 30 2e 30 2e 30 20 1.0.0.0
0028: 69 6e 20 6e 65 78 75 69 in nexui
0030: 7a 2e 65 78 65 20 31 2e z.exe 1.
0038: 30 2e 30 2e 30 20 61 74 0.0.0 at
0040: 20 6f 66 66 73 65 74 20 offset
0048: 30 30 30 36 34 35 30 30 00064500
0050: 0d 0a ..

Just a quick question.
Does 2.3 support mutithreading outside of MacOSX or has this feature been included in the past.
If so, what is the command to enable/disable it.
I want to test something out and see how much mutithreading evens out the driver issues and GPU overload.

Thanks.