When you're the only person on a server, you can easily type

vcall timelimit 99999
vcall fraglimit 99999

and then leave the server. This leaves the server potentialy running the same map for a very, very long time. The next competant player that visits and spots the vandalism could fix it.

Maybe something similar is already available. When a player leaves the server check to see if there are any other players, If no humans are left then reset the server config to its default.

I have already seen this.
Seemed like the bad guy voted for an ugly map before.

I am tempted to make timelimit and fraglimit no longer votable on my server, and instead make many more maps vcall/suggestmap only. But I'd need some time to sort out the bad ones.

Instead of a "destructive" timelimit -1 vote, you'd then need a "constructive" vcall chmap vote, to get rid of a map.

vcall chmap is a bad idea, then ppl would run through all votable maps till they get a yes vote
make a general vcall endmap maybe?

make a general vcall endmap maybe?

vcall timelimit -1 already achieves this

Another problem with chmap instead of timelimit is that you need to know the name of the map you want to change to.

melk wrote:

make a general vcall endmap maybe?

vcall timelimit -1 already achieves this

Yes but would be be silly to disallow all time limit calls except -1 ... if it's even possible to filter that.

From an administration stand point, it would be easier to make commands with values set by the admin.

for example:
Disallow all vcall timelimit but allow the following:

vcall endmatch
vcall extendmatch


endmatch would be essentially call timelimit -1

extendmatch would add x amount of minutes defined in server.cfg essentially calling timelimit (curTime+extendTime)

Have an automatic vote as soon as the map has started 'Do you really want to play this map?'.

A possible extension could be that all the players who say no (F2) automatically become spectators and cannot rejoin the map.

victim wrote:Have an automatic vote as soon as the map has started 'Do you really want to play this map?'.

A possible extension could be that all the players who say no (F2) automatically become spectators and cannot rejoin the map.

I disagree with this. I would find that quite annoying.

[-z-] wrote:From an administration stand point, it would be easier to make commands with values set by the admin.

for example:
Disallow all vcall timelimit but allow the following:

vcall endmatch
vcall extendmatch

endmatch would be essentially call timelimit -1

extendmatch would add x amount of minutes defined in server.cfg essentially calling timelimit (curTime+extendTime)

A very good idea. However, change the name to extendmatchtime and add extendmatchscore.

With a predefined maximum for extendmatch, say 10 minutes, then anybody can call a vote and try to extend the match length up to 10 minutes. And have a similar limit for extendmatchscore.

Also add an alias for vcall - vote. Giving:

vcall/vote endmatch
vcall/vote extendmatchtime
vcall/vote extendmatchscore

victim wrote:With a predefined maximum for extendmatch

And one for extendmatchscore as well.

afaik you can make aliases votable too
so what are we waiting for, let's try it
some aliases you could use

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// yay i hope I get these right
// end map:
alias endmatch "timelimit -1"
// increase timelimit by 5
alias extendmatchtime "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add def"
// decrease it by 5
alias reducematchtime "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 sub def"
// increase fraglimit by 50
alias increasefraglimit "sv_cmd rpn /fraglimit fraglimit 20 add def"
// decrease fraglimit by 50
alias increasefraglimit "sv_cmd rpn /fraglimit fraglimit 20 sub def"


and add them sv_vote_commands
and remove timelimit and fraglimit from it

Blµb wrote: // yay i hope I get these right
// end map:
alias endmatch "timelimit -1"
// increase timelimit by 5
alias extendmatchtime "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add def"
// decrease it by 5
alias reducematchtime "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 sub def"
// increase fraglimit by 50
alias increasefraglimit "sv_cmd rpn /fraglimit fraglimit 20 add def"
// decrease fraglimit by 50
alias increasefraglimit "sv_cmd rpn /fraglimit fraglimit 20 sub def"

Blµb, I think you have very a small error in your last line, I believe it should be alias decreasefraglimit.

I've been thinking about your new aliases and I think they are too long. I prefer short and to the point: vcall endmap and vcall extendgame

Extendgame increases the time by 5 minutes and the fraglimit by X. Where X is set by the server eg DM by 5,CTF by 50 or KH by 200.

Finally, if no humans are present then the game cannot be extended, fixing the complaint in my original point.

If a vote is called, then extend the time/frags until the vote has been completed. Although this could be easily abused to extend a game by 60 seconds.

'victim calls a vote to end the game' and 'victim calls a vote to extend the game'

[-z-] wrote:I disagree with this. I would find that quite annoying.

It was an idea, but I would also find this annoying, unless it was a MikeeeeUSA map

uhhhh, right, that should be "decrease" not "Increase"
please don't take away my cookies again!!!

you can put variables in them too, eg
alias extendblah "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit extend_time add def

sumthin' like that :>

Don't worry about the cookies, they are quite safe

Blµb wrote:you can put variables in them too, eg extend_time

That's good, extend_time will be set on the server.

Is a decrease_time or decrease_frags command needed?

I've never had the desire to decrease the game length by reducing the time or the frag limit. If the game is boring or very one-sided, then I will call a vote to end the game.

I've called votes to increase the game length, but that always involves two votes - increase the time limit and increase the frag limit - which is a pain.

Note: I usually play CTF or KH, very rarely DM.

Actually, you can code in a maximum

alias extendmatchtime "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub dup sgn 0.5 mul 0.5 add mul sub def"

It is kind of messy... so I'll explain the parts

timelimit 5 add = timelimit+5
dup 30 sub dup: puts two copies of timelimit+5-30 on the stack
sgn: replaces the topmost copy by -1, 0, 1 depending on sign
0.5 mul 0.5 add: turns the sign into 0, 0.5 or 1
mul: multiplies the changed sign with the other timelimit+5-30 value
sub: subtracts these two

This is best analyzed for the three sign values separately. If the sign is -1:

sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub dup sgn 0.5 mul 0.5 add mul sub def
=
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub -1 0.5 mul 0.5 add mul sub def
=
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub 0 mul sub def
=
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add 0 sub def
=
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add def

If it is +1:
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub dup sgn 0.5 mul 0.5 add mul sub def
=
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub +1 0.5 mul 0.5 add mul sub def
=
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub 1 mul sub def
=
sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit 5 add dup 30 sub sub def

Now what does "x dup 30 sub sub" do?

x
-> dup:
x x
-> 30:
x x 30
-> sub
x x-30
-> sub
x-(x-30) = x-x+30 = 30

So I propose these:

set timelimit_increment 5
set timelimit_decrement 5
set timelimit_min 5
set timelimit_max 30
alias extendmatchtime "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit timelimit_increment add dup timelimit_max sub dup sgn 0.5 mul 0.5 add mul sub def"
alias reducematchtime "sv_cmd rpn /timelimit timelimit timelimit_decrement sub dup timelimit_min sub dup sgn 0.5 mul 0.5 sub mul add def"
alias endmatch "timelimit -1"

Perhaps only a maximum timelimit & fraglimit above the currently set is necessary, it is already difficult enough to pass a single vote command; requiring repeated votes to accomplish a timelimit/fraglimit addition above the extend match alias would be particularly aggravating.