Hereby, I officially DISCONTINUE OS X support of Nexuiz. We can no longer build the engine for OS X, and have no way to fix it.

Reason: no more build machine. The machine we used is no longer accessible to us. Thanks to Willis who provided it to us, but he can no longer.

To get Mac builds running, we need a 24/7 running OS X computer with a fixed IP or DNS name (at least running 10.4) with a current XCode and SDL framework installed. Whether it is PPC or Intel does not matter. We'd need shell access using SSH to that machine (ideally with a shell account created specially for us, it needs no administrator privileges), to continue making OS X builds as part of the regular build process (which is also used for the testing builds).

If no such access is provided to us by anyone, there will be no more Mac builds. As simple as that.

Oh, and BTW, we are not going to do anything illegal like using a hacked OS X in VMWare. Sure, it DOES work, but it'll get us into big legal trouble.

Whoa, whoa. The answer is very simple: Either someone donates their Mac to the cause, or we pool money to buy one.

Some questions:

- Are there any system requirements for the Mac? Could it be an old one (one can buy a used Mac for quite cheap, this might be an option.)

- Can the Mac be anywhere? Or would it be better to somehow get it to your location?

I think there are enough Mac players for either donation or purchasing to be viable options. The Mac doesn't need to be new, just functional. The old one was a Mac Mini, right? So it just shouldn't be older than that one.

And the answer to pooling money will be:

"I HAVE money but don't have the TIME to donate it."

"I can donate money but I hate the CURRENCY you accept, Thilandish Bhats are a FAR better currency" (aka "fuck quakeC")

"I can make art that looks like money"

"If only the developerSSSSSS would write documentation on economics"

Nexuiz can't get any code devs from the community. It's surely not going to get a Mac from the community. The community takes but doesn't give (except for a few).

torus wrote:Whoa, whoa. The answer is very simple: Either someone donates their Mac to the cause, or we pool money to buy one.

Some questions:

- Are there any system requirements for the Mac? Could it be an old one (one can buy a used Mac for quite cheap, this might be an option.)

- Can the Mac be anywhere? Or would it be better to somehow get it to your location?

- Does it have to be running 10.5 (leopard)?

I think there are enough Mac players for either donation or purchasing to be viable options. The Mac doesn't need to be new, just functional. The old one was a Mac Mini, right? So it just shouldn't be older than that one.

I heard trolling for donations helps.

It's okay to be upset about the sometimes frustrating nature of open-source but I don't believe jumping to conclusions with such assumptions is a cure of any sorts. In a world where community is the most important thing, you're stereotyping fans. You can't expect people to instantly understand Nexuiz the same way you do.

A good leader inspires people. He doesn't attack them blindly. If you're thinking they are "idiots for not seeing" maybe you should mirror that up, and check yourself.

torus wrote:Whoa, whoa. The answer is very simple: Either someone donates their Mac to the cause, or we pool money to buy one.

Some questions:

- Are there any system requirements for the Mac? Could it be an old one (one can buy a used Mac for quite cheap, this might be an option.)

- Can the Mac be anywhere? Or would it be better to somehow get it to your location?

I think there are enough Mac players for either donation or purchasing to be viable options. The Mac doesn't need to be new, just functional. The old one was a Mac Mini, right? So it just shouldn't be older than that one.

Preferably, the Mac is at a location with somewhat 24/7 power and net access. It can sure be some cable modem or DSL line, it just has to be on 24/7 and reachable via ssh.

And performance of the Mac - no requirements. OS X 10.4 or higher, and Xcode have to run on it, that's all. It can be either Intel or PPC, and a G3 suffices for 10.4.

Out of curiosity, roughly what percentage of nex players are on a mac?

Taiyo.uk wrote:Out of curiosity, roughly what percentage of nex players are on a mac?

I was just thinking about that. I dont have a Mac but I'd probably be willing to donate a little cash to the cause.

I have a few Macs that I can allocate to this, I suppose. I have a MacBook that I had intended on selling, but I can set it up as a development machine for dual booting into 10.4 or 10.5 until a more permanent solution can be sought. I also happen to have an old 500MHz G3 iMac that can only run 10.4.

I had been using the MacBook to hack around in darkplaces (for my own fun) and playing around with maintaining Dresk's Spidflisk QC in parity with the current trunk. I have a network connection that pretty much stays up constantly.

It'd take me a day or two to get the machine rebuilt for a dev-only machine, as it had been my personal computer. And, fwiw, I usually lurk around in IRC as Lixivial.

Taiyo.uk wrote:Out of curiosity, roughly what percentage of nex players are on a mac?

No exact number is known, but if I count the downloads on my server (assuming each OS's players cause the same number of downloads), we should have 55.6% Windows users, 30.0% Linux users and 14.4% Mac users.

oh well its been fun guys

Well, if you have a mac, maybe you can think about setting up such a shell account... that would solve everything.

But even if 2.5 gets released without Mac support, you still can compile it on your own. So you could still play, but installing the game would be harder.

SC0RP wrote::shock: oh well its been fun guys

When the community takes without giving this "fun" happens. Same with development of the game and engine. No one ever has "time". The original devs had "time"... why cant the peeps here have "time"?.

Though this problem, mac support, looks like it might get fixed

take_this_cup_of_poison wrote:

SC0RP wrote::shock: oh well its been fun guys

When the community takes without giving this "fun" happens. Same with development of the game and engine. No one ever has "time". The original devs had "time"... why cant the peeps here have "time"?.

Though this problem, mac support, looks like it might get fixed

If your saying that im one of the people who has just "taken" from Nexuiz you are wrong my friend. I havn't just "taken" from nexuiz. I've made music for the game and continue to do so, this is straight of my limited spare time. Im giving something back to the game for the entertainment I get. If I knew the first thing about coding and compiling or whatever, I would be there to support, my mac is not online all the time and im not in a position where my mac can be online 24/7. I know nothing of programming games or whatever it is but I know music production and thats what I give to Nexuiz.

I hope this problem gets fixed, I understand the situation and I don't blame anyone, if I could help I would, but on this front im in no position.

SC0RP wrote:If your saying that im one of the people who has just "taken" from Nexuiz you are wrong my friend. I havn't just "taken" from nexuiz. I've made music for the game and continue to do so, this is straight of my limited spare time.

Oh cool. I just have to ask, are you the one who created the music 'Meltdown' which is used in the map Gasolinepowered? I know it's a long shot, but I just wanted to ask anyway

ai wrote:Oh cool. I just have to ask, are you the one who created the music 'Meltdown' which is used in the map Gasolinepowered? I know it's a long shot, but I just wanted to ask anyway

Yes I done that one for Fruitie.

I love this one Scorp :>

You made the sounds for doc-pyton's maps too, didn't you?

Fisume! wrote:I love this one Scorp :>

You made the sounds for doc-pyton's maps too, didn't you?

Yep done tracks for him as well

Forthcoming I have "OUT THERE" featuring on Rad_Ished's new map "WORMHOLE"

and in the works now a track for Ronan which will feature his voice in a new version of "RESERVOIR"

Some of my tracks are on here www.myspace.com/sc0rpnex

also may I just add, Fruitie actually put the wrong version of "MELTDOWN" on "GASOLINE POWERED" lol I have just uploaded the proper finished version on my page.

SC0RP wrote:

Fisume! wrote:I love this one Scorp :>

You made the sounds for doc-pyton's maps too, didn't you?

Yep done tracks for him as well

Forthcoming I have "OUT THERE" featuring on Rad_Ished's new map "WORMHOLE"

and in the works now a track for Ronan which will feature his voice in a new version of "RESERVOIR"

Some of my tracks are on here www.myspace.com/sc0rpnex

also may I just add, Fruitie actually put the wrong version of "MELTDOWN" on "GASOLINE POWERED" lol I have just uploaded the proper finished version on my page.

Great! I gotta say, I absolutely love that song. I was about to ask you if you had a site where you had hosted some of your music. And also if you planned on finishing the Meltdown song. It's so hardcore.
I'm currently also listening to some other songs, you are really good. Are some of your songs under the GPL license or something? I'm asking cause I've been thinking of making a Nexuiz movie including the Meltdown song (if it is ok with you that is). I wanted to get a hold of the author of that song before I did anything, to ask permission.

Wormhole is very stalled atm.
But the sky is getting there...sort of.
oh................off topic sry.
Hmmm, I'll put up a few euros for the mac, there are a lot of mac players out there, it would be really really sad to lose them.

yay, lixi is gonna save the day

That would be great.

However if a Mac needed buying I am more than willing to contribute. If only it were to keep support for my bro sYm[PB]MAC and all the others out there that I don't even know are using Macs. Let's see how this works out with lixi's offer first though :]

ai wrote:Great! I gotta say, I absolutely love that song. I was about to ask you if you had a site where you had hosted some of your music. And also if you planned on finishing the Meltdown song. It's so hardcore.
I'm currently also listening to some other songs, you are really good. Are some of your songs under the GPL license or something? I'm asking cause I've been thinking of making a Nexuiz movie including the Meltdown song (if it is ok with you that is). I wanted to get a hold of the author of that song before I did anything, to ask permission.

Thx for your kind words mate Yh Meldown is pretty full on, very hardcore indeed. Tbh when I done it I was really unsure wether it would appeal to the nex community, it was a kinda an experiment. Yet I have had so much feedback from it. If you want to use it in your vid I have no problem with that, all my songs are free to use except "The Need for Change" . Maybe just ask Fruitie if he doesnt mind you using it. I did do i for his map.

Might have to remix it now or roll out another Hardcore banger lol

If you want to add my irc room to favs an come chat to me about anything thats cool and any1 else for that matter...its.... #Nexuiz.independent on quakenet ofcourse

Rad Ished wrote:Wormhole is very stalled atm.
But the sky is getting there...sort of.
oh................off topic sry.

lol thank God for that im still very far off finishing Out There

Yh better let them get back to the mac situation

You could as well put a link to your songs, which (if) you release them under GPL. In that case they could be included into main release or official expansion packs if main one gets too huge. Same should go for all other sound designers, modelers, texture makers, mappers, etc... In conclusion, if you have content and think that it might fit Nexuiz to be included officially, you need to license it under GPL or compatible license and state it somewhere.
The best way would be some thread where all this content could be collected and various expansion packs could be created for various other people needs (map making, modelling, texturing, sound mixing, etc.... )

Yes, yes, I know that some of you might think that GPL sucks cause it allows commercial distribution and there is no attribution, but there are some advantages - e.g. this license allows nexuiz be sold on game magazines dvds and attract more players. And anyway, license can't be changed into 4-clause BSD (similar to gpl+attribution clause) cause there isn't any content replacement.

divVerent wrote:

torus wrote:Whoa, whoa. The answer is very simple: Either someone donates their Mac to the cause, or we pool money to buy one.

Some questions:

- Are there any system requirements for the Mac? Could it be an old one (one can buy a used Mac for quite cheap, this might be an option.)

- Can the Mac be anywhere? Or would it be better to somehow get it to your location?

I think there are enough Mac players for either donation or purchasing to be viable options. The Mac doesn't need to be new, just functional. The old one was a Mac Mini, right? So it just shouldn't be older than that one.

Preferably, the Mac is at a location with somewhat 24/7 power and net access. It can sure be some cable modem or DSL line, it just has to be on 24/7 and reachable via ssh.

And performance of the Mac - no requirements. OS X 10.4 or higher, and Xcode have to run on it, that's all. It can be either Intel or PPC, and a G3 suffices for 10.4.

Hello divVerent, have you considered running ads on the forum ?

I mean I don't like ads at all, but I still think this could be an option for creating an extra source of money for the project

In today's internet, ads are worth about nothing. Most people popup blockers, and still a great majority uses adblock. Maybe 5% would actually SEE the ads... but click on them? Not many.

Please let us know if things don't work out with Lixi's Mac and we'll get another solution in place. We don't want to lose Mac support.

I would be willing to donate some money toward a Mac for the developers too.

A quick check on ebay shows there are plenty of systems available for $200 US or less, so this really won't be a long term issue.

could we change the wording from "discontinued" to "put on ice and buried deep deep underground for no one to find for a long long yet not infinite time"?
after all, I'm guessing that should there ever be a mac accessible for the builds, the mac version will be continued again?
I'd be up for a donation, but I don't have much...

Blµb wrote:I'd be up for a donation

<AOL>
Me too.
</AOL>