Just a quick hack that mind remind the one or other of a UT99 map. It is in no way faithful to the original though. Just the general idea is the same..

EDIT: I made a youtube movie showcasing the gameplay on the map a bit. It shows all areas..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcH77-xiSm0

Make sure to click the HD button

Screenies:














Download:

http://tapas.affenbande.org/maps-dl/cores_v1r7.pk3

EDIT: Updated the pk3 with radar and missing script
EDIT: Updated the pk3 to new version
EDIT: Updated the pk3 to new version (added detail work)
EDIT: Updated the pk3 to new version (added detail work, incorporated samual's comments)
EDIT: Updated the pk3 with a sound entity for the central core (what 50hz hum and a guitar multi fx board can do for you )
EDIT: New release (v1r7) with a bug fix (ceiling bug).. I hope everything's allright now with this package..

BTW: I need some editing help: The beams are endcaps with a shader that has

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surfaceparm nonsolid

Some projectiles seem to be able to go through. Players can go through them without problems, too.. But some projectiles are stopped by it. Basically everything except rockets from rocket launcher (but not from mortar) and fireball.. Nex, electro, mortar etc, cannot go through the beams. Which is a pity. Is there another surfaceparm i must set? Or is there an entity key which i can use to make the beams truly non solid?

DM-Fractal?

Ok, replaced the cylinders/endcaps with 8-sided brushes. Looks just as good and no more problems with projectiles. I also added some ladders and a connection from the shield to the fireball. The lighting there is intentionally dark as these are not your usual ways through the map..

k0jak wrote:DM-Fractal?

Well, i was really thinking more of Liandri Central Core But fractal shares some properties, too, i guess..

Liandri is probably my favourite map in UT, and this is deinitely not like it. More like fractal

k0jak wrote:Liandri is probably my favourite map in UT, and this is deinitely not like it. More like fractal

Well you can say what you want. Liandri was my inspiration. I worked from memory, couldn't get the outer pathways like liandri without a reference and then just worked the thing in new ways from there. Heh, i just watched a video showing liandri and yeah, it is totally different It just shares the thing in the middle (liandri had an elevator, i have a jumppad). The walkways around the central core and having some stuff outside of the central core area.. But that's also where the similarities end.. Have to take a look at fractal, too..

k0jak wrote:Liandri is probably my favourite map in UT, and this is deinitely not like it. More like fractal

Deck and Liandri are probably my favorites.. And Morpheus We already had deck and morpheus "remakes", so i wanted to create something that shares the kind of vertical action you could get in liandri..

Just played it.
It's a pretty vertical map, so I don't think it's playable because of that detail alone.

offhand, I can't think of any successful maps with a vertical layout

Aggressor!, well to a degree anyway.

Dokujisan wrote:Just played it.
It's a pretty vertical map, so I don't think it's playable because of that detail alone.

offhand, I can't think of any successful maps with a vertical layout

Well, you are entitled to your own opinion. Personally i like that added dimension in gameplay

Ok, you've worked on a few maps for Nexuiz.
So far, I find that you pretty quickly reject most feedback.

You're almost as bad as Cortez or Mikee when it comes to receiving feedback.
Both of those guys ask for feedback on their maps, but then they reject just about all of the feedback that they receive. It's pointless, really, to even give them feedback at all.

So, why even ask for feedback?
You keep telling me I'm entitled to my opinion, but I'm also entitled to not give my opinion, if it always gets rejected.

That is what I did with Cortez and Mikee. I just stopped talking to them about their maps because it was as productive as urinating on a brick wall. Apparently, they are just fishing for compliments rather than asking for true feedback.

On vertical maps...

I don't consider aggressor to be a vertical map. There are some semi-successful maps that have a vertical layout for some parts of the map, like Towers (CTF map). But as you can see in this video, that map has some flaws as well. The vertical layout of the bases and the middle structure is interesting, but it can also be completely skipped over with a rocket or laser.

For a DM map, you need some areas to have a battle, and your map only has one "battle" area, which is at the bottom.

Dokujisan wrote:Ok, you've worked on a few maps for Nexuiz.
So far, I find that you pretty quickly reject most feedback.

You're almost as bad as Cortez or Mikee when it comes to receiving feedback.
Both of those guys ask for feedback on their maps, but then they reject just about all of the feedback that they receive. It's pointless, really, to even give them feedback at all.

So, why even ask for feedback?
You keep telling me I'm entitled to my opinion, but I'm also entitled to not give my opinion, if it always gets rejected.

That is what I did with Cortez and Mikee. I just stopped talking to them about their maps because it was as productive as urinating on a brick wall. Apparently, they are just fishing for compliments rather than asking for true feedback.

On vertical maps...

I don't consider aggressor to be a vertical map. There are some semi-successful maps that have a vertical layout for some parts of the map, like Towers (CTF map). But as you can see in this video, that map has some flaws as well. The vertical layout of the bases and the middle structure is interesting, but it can also be completely skipped over with a rocket or laser.

For a DM map, you need some areas to have a battle, and your map only has one "battle" area, which is at the bottom.

Hmm, no, i do not reject all criticism. For example Franco's suggestions made me rework many parts of minideck. I really liked Samual's feedback, too. Also what C.Brutail said about my first [admittedly really awful map] was helpful.

It's just that i reserve the right for me to disagree with opinions stated. In this case you claim that the vertical nature of the map makes it unplayable. I do not share this opinion, as i had some fun test matches on this map. There are also some very simple UT99 maps like fractal reactor which had really fun gameplay. And i really think this could be a fun DM map for 6-8 people

I do not consider cores suited for competitive playing.

That said: I create these maps, because i enjoy doing so. I release them for the community to use, modify and improve. I do not think i have the obligation to follow advice i do not agree with. Throw on NetRadiant and "fix" the map to your liking Or create better ones.

Also, i would prefer if you avoided comparing people with brick walls. Let's keep the flaming out of this discussion.. Thanks..

There are a number of things about the Nexuiz community that have disappointed me within the 6-8 months. This is one of them.

When I give feedback, I don't expect you to just do as I say, like a robot. I do expect you to consider the issue being raised and perhaps have dialog about it. Don't just respond with "Well, that's your opinion".

What I said about vertical maps still holds true. It's difficult to make a successful vertical map. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done. I love experimentation with map concepts. But there are probably some important details that need to be considered in order for experimental maps to work. These things usually come about after a discussion....ya know, back and forth communication.

There are a lot of Nexuiz maps. However, most of those maps sit and collect dust because they are not really playable. They need to be adjusted in various ways to be really playable. They need revisions. They need testing. They need discussion.

So the Nexuiz map pool is very disappointing in a lot of ways. It sucks to see the mapping process being unproductive. So not only am I giving feedback to the maps that are made, I'm criticizing mappers themselves.

If you've taken criticism and made some changes to your maps, that's great. I haven't seen it, so I didn't know about it. I just remember the conversation that I (and some others) had with you about minideck and you seemed closed off to feedback. I think minideck (DM and CTF) looks great and I was hoping to have minideck_CTF on my servers at some point.

...and there is a difference between flaming and criticism.

Flaming has the intention of insulting them and getting some emotional response.
Criticism has the intention of promoting positive change. I'm trying to criticize here.

Just played it.
It's a pretty vertical map, so I don't think it's playable because of that detail alone.

offhand, I can't think of any successful maps with a vertical layout

Read that back. It basically just reads as "you made a vertical map and vertical maps suck". What could he ever do with this? Turn the map 90 degrees in Radiant and recompile?

edit: actually, I think that might work well

Well, i'm slightly with Dokujisan here -- I like the style of this map, but i'm not sure how well it will work out since it is a vertical map.. I mean, I personally find it fun and perhaps could be interesting on a public server, though.

Samual wrote:Well, i'm slightly with Dokujisan here -- I like the style of this map, but i'm not sure how well it will work out since it is a vertical map.. I mean, I personally find it fun and perhaps could be interesting on a public server, though.

Yeah, that was my whole intention. I always tremendously enjoyed gameplay in vertical maps in UT99. I do not see how it's impossible to transfer that to nexuiz where you even have a laser to help with the vert

Dokujisan wrote:...and there is a difference between flaming and criticism.

Flaming has the intention of insulting them and getting some emotional response.
Criticism has the intention of promoting positive change. I'm trying to criticize here.

Well for me comparing people to brick walls is personal and emotional. I just suggested that keeping the personal level out of this might be helpful. If you have ideas for improvement, that i agree with, i might integrate them. Keep in mind that i also have a life besides nexuiz and allocating time for altruistic things like creating maps for my favorite computer game might be not always be too easy..

Bumping this thread, cause i uploaded a bug fix release.. Somehow in the last build i had a displaced brush which is showing at the ceiling. I hope everything's allright with this new release.. I updated the top post with the new update link..