Me sketching......

somewhat frequest development builds, sources, media and doxygenerated docu can now be found at http://zdev.dvrdns.org/nexuiz/tturrets/ if you dont know how to use thise files, this is not for you. cosinder it highly unstable.

Sorry that i didn make any turret works till now ... i just wanted to but i have not much time at the moment, cause im workin on my maps, graphical works that arent for nexuiz and especially im workin on some own mod with some of my clanmates ...
Much moddeling work to do there ...

nothing to apologize for. some new media would new nice tho; im geting somwhat close to a real beta i think.. but if im gunna code, model and texture everything myself.. its proly not so close

i know what u mean ...

its like with our Mod ... We are two people workin on that thing ... with a little coding help from my brother ...
So every graphical part falls back on me ... my problem is that im just working on to much projects at one time <_> ... but thats my nature if i have some idea in mind i must start to work on it ...

Doc-Pyton wrote:So every graphical part falls back on me ... my problem is that im just working on to much projects at one time <_> ... but thats my nature if i have some idea in mind i must start to work on it ...

I am/was the same way. I always took on more projects than I actually had time for, and they all where pretty big ones. But I've learned how to sort these out and just focus on 1-3 projects. Right now I have 2, soon 3, projects up and running (4 if I go back to the turrets). And right now I don't have time to focus on the turrets. Weekends is usually the time I do other stuff, if I'm not too worked up from the weekdays.

omg, so long waiting for turrets and now they are here, fully working


Howitzer type of turret to lay some heavy fire on enemy


soon i will try to make mg turret in similar style

gj tzork

morphed's done it again.

Hey Ho yu zall
I made a tzurret, it's a bit mangoid, and missing a pivot as yeti.
Godddamn blender getting my back up can't work out how to do a split muzzle . And a tripod got I foxed too, one that's actually equal has anyhow.
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How about that here :



Texturing isnt finished up yet ... but i will try to get this one finished in a few day's ...

Tha Base of this is just variable ... It can be settet up higher lower what u want ...
I want to try to make serval turrets that fits to that base.

I hope this kind of turret fits into that mod cause i promised tzork to make some good looking thing for helpin me with that chaingun code ...

I just finished this thing now ... here's the shots of it ... :

Hey Doc Python niiiice, what app you using?

just everythin that fits to what i want to make ... for textures most of times pp9 and MS paint ... for models maya and like i said ... just everythin that fits ...

Aw shucks, don't you hate when you close the blender window without saving then find out that autosave don't work, hey ho . SEcond incarnation of this one then


Going to put a whip antenna on it too.
How many do you need tzork, one for each weapon? Guess this could be a machine gun or like, possibly hagar.

Wow Doc-Pyton that thing looks like it could walk . Nice work.

Rad Ished some tipps for u when modeling ... :

Fist thing is ... whem i look on ur works here ... i see that u used many polys to get detail on that things ... U should give that things the detail over textures ... ur models looks like thousands of triangles ...

Take this ammochain or what ever it is for example ... It is buildet out of about 19 boxes ... every of this boxes is made out of at least 12 triangles ... that are 228 triangles only for that chain ... on my turret that ammochain is made out of about ... 52 triangles ...
if i reduce the polycount it will look nealry the same with much fewer triangles ...

The trick on modeling is to get much detail as possible with less triangles as possible for a good performance ...

By the way ... that things u made looks really difficult to make textures for ...
When i look at this it looks like the most geometrical detail is in that chain ...

i think u should ever start with making the body with less possible triangles and then put a bit detail on it ... and u have to keep ever in mind of what details u can make with textures ... think on bumpmap and normal map ... much details can be done with that ...

Some good example for wasting geometrical detail is the gunbarrel in the second work ... u used about 8 rings or somethin this direction ... U could have just used some cylinder object with about 8 - 12 faces or somethin like this ... and than make that rings with a bumpmap texture ...

I wish i could do more for u than these tipps ... but its difficult to expmain that work especially in english cause my english is very limmited ...

dont take that wrong ... but ur models looks like random puttet together polygonal onjects ... I startet with works like this too when i started to model before a few years ...
However ... just dont stop with modeling works ... keep working on it and it will get better and better ... no one's perfect when start with somethin ...
Just ever mind on ... every quadratic face u use is made out of a t least two triangles ... thats not really much ... but with every mesh u use this things will get more and more ... just try to ever keep an eye on how much quadratic faces ur models use ...

And try to have a look that ur objects are not stucking inside another object ... what u cant see shouldn be calculatet by the computer ... ur models looks like a lot faces inside other meshes ... thats wasted performance ... espacially if u use models with that polycount ...

Earm by the way ... do u know about whats a UV map ? ... and how to do such thing ? ... if not just search for it and try to learn how to do some ... it will be important for futur modelworks ...

Actually, it doesn't look to have thousands of polygons. At top I'd say 1000, it's only the normal smoothing that might confuse you. If I had to guess the whole model, except that small boxed chain thingie, has around 400 polys (plus around 300 for the chain thing), though it's hard to determine that black thing where that chain thing is on.
But yeah Doc's right about that much of that model could be equal detailed with texture and bumps. That 'spiral' thing just before the gun is one such thing.

My guess would be 1000 polys. One limit should be to keep the poly count for one turret below 1000. I'm not making much turrets (in fact I stopped) as I do not have time as I explained before. Working on my own projects except for weekend where I usually just sleep, play or watch something.
But seeing that so many people already model on these things I am not needed anyway. Now if only these people would make player models

PS. I love Morphed turret design. It's delicious!

PPS. One tip to you Doc. I see that you use some of the same texture that to your own stuff (that spaceship for your map comes in mind). I'd rather see the turrets more to the gray metal direction like Morphed has done. I'm not sure that green thing really suits that turret model.
Also, smooth the edges of the chain guns to give it smoother feel. It looks off as it is now. If you take a look at Morphed design you'll see it, it looks so good I could eat it.

Yepp ... i used the same kind of texture for that tureet that i used for my chaingun and that spaceship ...

But that this one here is green means nothin ... this kind of texture comes up in three color designs ... i have one in green like that whats seen here ... than i have one in desert colors ... and one in grey ... i will give this three kinds of the texture to who ever will take that model ... ( if its taken ) ... so whoever takes care of it can just change the texture by himself ... ... I think the choice of the texture is just some question of the terrain its placed in ...

that green design is for jungle and that kind ... ... the desert colors are for desert and this like that ... and that grey one is just for night and citymaps and thislike ...

And in that thread above i didn really talked about thousands ... i just said that ... but didn mean ... i dont know the right word in english ... in german it would be "übertreibung" ...
I just wanted to say that the model uses to much polygons instead of texture detail ...
This two thats showed dont have to much polys to get used in the game ... but to much poly's for that level of detail ...

By the way my turret isnt really better ... i think i used to much poly's for that level of detail it have ... I often have problems with the choose of what detail i should make with texture and what detail i should make with geometrics ... just look at that little quadratic box i used to connect that bullet pipe with the weaponbody ... i think i should have made this over texture and not with that box ... however i hope that turret i made is not to much poly's ... if its not used it doesnt really matter ... if its used it might be a problem and i should do a bit more work on it to reduce the polycount ...
However it looks like my modelstyle is something completly different from the standart nexuiz style and so im not sure if it really fits into the game but i hope that it just will ...

btw. here's that thing in grey camo ... :



Ure right its really a better looking in grey ... but i just like green camo ... ...

Ah and i fixed the gunbarrels too ... good thing that u mindet me on ... i just forgot to smooth it ...

Hey you guys thanks for the feedback.
974 faces good guess.
I will keep poly mangling.

Wow ... pretty good ai ... very close ...

Yeah, wow. With the grey texture it looks great. I think this design could perhaps fit som maps, at least some of Strahlemanns maps. He has some cool design and very good at furnishing, so to say. For some reason the grey texture feels more 'Nexuizish'

looks like i have to learn about to get some feeling for what is "nexiuzish" ... ...

Yeah I personally don't think there was anything wrong with the green.

wow stuff happens, and fast

Some very nice stuff here =)

Doc-Pyton that minigunner thing looks awsome! gj.

Welcome back Morphed, image link dont work, but the thumb look sweet. ill implement a turret based on that soon.

Thats an interesting concept Rad Ished, tho im not sure what gun it is, somethign hagar-ish perhas.


As for how many; im not making one turret for every nexuiz gun; most turrets sofar use weapons not used by players. The precise # is anyones guess heres the list sofar:

Plasma, Dual Plasma : basicaly a automated electro. dual vrsion has higher ROF
Minigun : does what you'd expect. use its spinuptime to get to cover or become gibs
MLRS : Big bad RL, unguided
Hellion : MLRS With guided rockets, fiers in vollys of 2
Hunter-killer: Fires guided rocke capable of avoiding obstacles, rocket will pick a new target on its own if the old dies.
Gauss : "nexgun"
point-defense: Kills hostile rockets

Great work guys !
wb Morphed Haven't seen you around for a while.
Nice turret you have there. Great clean style that fits everywhere

@DocPython: I prefer the grey concept. The green one would fit better in a more natural environment (a jungle or a forest) but then it would need some scratches here and there. Otherwise it would look too polished.
Also some scratches and some dirt would fit to the grey one, so it looks like it has been used for a while and is not a brand new turret out of the factory
Overall a great concept.
And I'd like to see an additional base for the turret, but don't get me wrong. that spider-like base looks very good

tZork wrote:Welcome back Morphed, image link dont work, but the thumb look sweet. ill implement a turret based on that soon.

What you talking about, image works fine for me. But just in case it doesn't work for you for some reason or for someone else I put it up on my server:

will the turrets also have alt fire modes? depending on distance, for example, or number of targets.

offtopic:
thinking of the turrets and alt fire modes reminded me of the exploding ammo boxes mod. im not sure if ammo should explode, but other exploding elements like proximity mines or explosive barrels would be fun.

Atm all turrets fire with just one mode, however each unit supports 0-4 guns and theres nothign limithing taht to the same kinda fire. You could fairly easy make a ex. minigun+rocket turret, whats needs to be done is make some smart system to select the best gun for the job (prediction, aming and so on depends on the weapons projectile speed and so on) a turret could shoot multimple types of rounds from the same gun too, that could be a bit confusing tho.

weak machine gun turret (680 polys)

next one will be rocket turret

i forget to say that 1st turret is 606 polys

rocket turret, shoting single powerfull rockets (722 polys)

next one should be some plasma one