Available here:

http://www.notam02.no/~clund/nexuiz/Caverna.pk3

And since I'm uploading levels; Figure8 had an error in one of the scripts. A corrected version is available here:

http://www.notam02.no/~clund/nexuiz/Figure8.pk3

Awesome man, glad to see you released this.

Yea, this map is really cool. Somehow your brushwork looks almost natural.

My fps drops to around 10-15 on this map (which yes, looks great!)

I get quite good fps. 70-180 average

Really nice work ... i think i like ur style ...

phong shader?

TK471 wrote:My fps drops to around 10-15 on this map (which yes, looks great!)

Everywhere or just in the "bad" places (where the hagar is placed)?

Rad Ished wrote:phong shader?

Yep. B)

My low fps was about everywhere, but it's my machine... I regularly only get 25 to 35 fps, sometimes more. Machine specs:

AMD 2500+ (2.0Ghz) proc
768MB PC2100 RAM
Nvidia GeForce 6200 AGP 4x 256MB video card
Soundblaster Audigy2 LS sound.

Which is not a bad machine for what I mostly do (music and video production work), but I'm way behind in the gaming world (I really don't play games much... I just like Nexuiz).

Played through this map on Galt's last night with Vlad and a few others. I think the general consensus is it is really neat-looking but needs some serious optimization. On an NVidia 7900 GTO (256MB, firmware modded near GTX and quite stable) my framerate dropped to the floor (slideshow) every time a projectile came on screen.

nexbender wrote:Played through this map on Galt's last night with Vlad and a few others. I think the general consensus is it is really neat-looking but needs some serious optimization. On an NVidia 7900 GTO (256MB, firmware modded near GTX and quite stable) my framerate dropped to the floor (slideshow) every time a projectile came on screen.

I was afraid of that..

Clueless Newbie wrote:

nexbender wrote:Played through this map on Galt's last night with Vlad and a few others. I think the general consensus is it is really neat-looking but needs some serious optimization. On an NVidia 7900 GTO (256MB, firmware modded near GTX and quite stable) my framerate dropped to the floor (slideshow) every time a projectile came on screen.

I was afraid of that..

On the bright side, those rock textures are sweeeeeeeeeet.

nexbender wrote:On the bright side, those rock textures are sweeeeeeeeeet.

Glad to hear you like them, but.. that isn't enough to make the map fun...

Clueless Newbie wrote:

nexbender wrote:On the bright side, those rock textures are sweeeeeeeeeet.

Glad to hear you like them, but.. that isn't enough to make the map fun...

The map layout is better than "fun," it has got a lot of elements that would make it good for competitive play. Wide open spaces, tight spaces, lot of vertical, lots of blind corners, crevices, ledges, catwalks, jumppads, and because the layout is so wonky (seems downright disorienting in places), it actually merits all the usual weapons. I'm sure Shaggy or one of these mappers could help optimize it.

nexbender wrote:The map layout is better than "fun," it has got a lot of elements that would make it good for competitive play. Wide open spaces, tight spaces, lot of vertical, lots of blind corners, crevices, ledges, catwalks, jumppads, and because the layout is so wonky (seems downright disorienting in places), it actually merits all the usual weapons. I'm sure Shaggy or one of these mappers could help optimize it.

I don't currently intend to do any more work on Caverna, but anybody who is willing to try making it run better is welcome to do so. I'm pretty sure the .map file included in the .pk3 is the final one. However, I suspect the optimization would remove a great many of the things you like about the map.

OTOH... maybe I should try compiling the map with an even smaller _blocksize... even though the VIS stage would probably take days to compile.

Clueless Newbie wrote:

Rad Ished wrote:phong shader?

Yep. B)

Maybe I spoke too soon here... phong was enabled in the compiler, but I didn't have any special shaders for the rock textures. Are they needed?

I have no problem running this map with only 512MB ram, 800MHz Duron, ATI all-in-wonder 9600.
Let me again say that the darkplaces renderer is very powerful and very underused. We have a lot of "fun" maps already but none which showcases the true graphic potential of darkplaces. I appreciate the attention placed in the LOOK and, particularly, textures in this map. It is a step in the right direction.

ihsan wrote:I have no problem running this map with only 512MB ram, 800MHz Duron, ATI all-in-wonder 9600.
Let me again say that the darkplaces renderer is very powerful and very underused. We have a lot of "fun" maps already but none which showcases the true graphic potential of darkplaces. I appreciate the attention placed in the LOOK and, particularly, textures in this map. It is a step in the right direction.

Have you played this map with other players? Try doing so and fire some rockets at each other - you'll see what we mean.

I think the map is good other than the bases. I think they are too crowded. I also think the slant down to the floor should be trashed. It makes it too hard to laser jump. Maybe you could shorten the slant and add a fan, that will kill you if you fall.

I think the base is the main problem, too crowded.

shaggy wrote:I think the map is good other than the bases. I think they are too crowded. I also think the slant down to the floor should be trashed. It makes it too hard to laser jump. Maybe you could shorten the slant and add a fan, that will kill you if you fall.

I think the base is the main problem, too crowded.

I like the tight bases, because they are only tight horizontal, you have room to move vert. It's total overkill and probably suicide for two defenders to hang out in it, but a lone defender has to work, no room for mistakes. I like the floor slant, too, but it needs a texture that is easier to "see" - the present color makes it (too) tough to judge angle/speed/distance.

But I dig the fan, Shaggy....so ya know, just redo the entire map for Clueless, make the bases a bit bigger, widen out the bottom, add the fan, different textures for the base itself, and...disco balls!

I'll have to inform you that you are overestimating Shaggy's capabilities.

TVR wrote:I'll have to inform you that you are overestimating Shaggy's capabilities.

I thought it obvious I was joking. Perhaps the humor was too obtuse?

I ran through the map again. Except for the base texture and whatever would fix the framerate drops, the map is very playable as-is.

Anyway, Shaggy, please make the fan take up the entire floor of the base, and the disco balls should have an anim to light and spin and play "Fett's Vette" by McChris when someone caps. Please hurry.

Thanks TVR (sarcasm)

Bender, why a disco ball?
Also, you wouldn't have to redo the hole map, just edit the bases.

P.S Why don't you take the fan from blue amuse (or whatever the maps name is).
P.P.S Arg! I'm too lazy. I just make the suggestions not do them

shaggy wrote:I just make the suggestions not do them

Ah, real management material!

yeah you need to add a shader script to a texture to phong it. These are new to me also but here is the one i took from farewell:
textures/ito/deerock
{
q3map_nonplanar
q3map_shadeAngle 75
{
map textures/ito/deerock.tga
rgbGen vertex
}
}
It doesn't change the shape of the brushes just makes the shading from edge to edge much softer. I don't know if you have to hit the shade flag in q3map2 for it to work but it did seem to work without doing this. I think it would have a beneficial effect for all your rockness.

Perhaps a cocktail bar would be useful in the base (close to but not under the disco ball)
and some throw pillows.