Nooby question again - i think so - how can i include my own model into nexuiz? What do I have to look for - size or something else??

More detail pls.

What kinda model? Mapobject model, or playermodel?

For mapobjects, all kind of model formats in any size is ok. Just make sure it is an mdl, md3, 3ds, ase, or something that darkplaces can use.

For player models Nexuiz uses the zym format, this is special for this game. There's a method to make these, but dunno how, but Vermeulen can help you.

Oh, and there's a thing about own player models. If the other player does not have the model you're using, he wil only see a white sphere, very annoying. So currently, if there's no force model or default model for missing player model, there's no meaning for an own player model yet.l

C.Brutail wrote:For player models Nexuiz uses the zym format, this is special for this game. There's a method to make these, but dunno how, but Vermeulen can help you.

Yes I mean playermodel.
Ive made it in Cinema4D, can I export this in a "zym" file? With a tool or something else, or I have to make a new one with the program that makes *.zym files?

This is the Model I want to use in Nexuiz (I can change a few details etc.):

http://tanoware.ta.ohost.de/gallerie/3d ... obowar.jpg

I just want to use this on lan partys, in our next one we will play nexuiz, too. ANd I can send them all the zym file there my model is in.

The zym compile tools are probably in this package:

http://www.edgefiles.com/file.x?id=/nexuiz.com/www/players.rar

Ok, I downlaod it and look, if theres anything usefull in

i still got my look through glass ( walls ), made 3 topics about no one seems to care?

cyan wrote:i still got my look through glass ( walls ), made 3 topics about no one seems to care?

The note was taken but there is not much we can do about it right now.. Yeah we 'just' need to create some checksums and compare those.. But creating such things needs time and someone to work on it.

There are cheats for every game that is out there. No matter if they use punkbuster or what else. Having a check for data integrity might make it harder to cheat but not impossible. Also many anti-cheat programs are bad performance wise as they keep scanning the harddisc for cheats.
And for a bad example: I heared bad things about Q4 in that regard.. That sometimes you get kicked just for having a map installed that the server does not have. Not sure if thats true though.

Yeah its nice to have some way to dedect cheats. It makes people feel better but its hard to do it right. I still think the best way to deal with this issue is to have user accounts. But as with the thing above it needs someone to do it .
For the time being the ladder and posting screenshots and demos is the best way to know there is no cheating.

Some random rant thats close to the issue..
I got acussed of cheating again the other day. Was very late at night as i could not sleep. Ai was with me.. I really would like to know why only i got acussed.. Ai was at least as good as i. The funny (or sad) thing is that this f*cking b*stard left with the comment "time to delete this shit".. Guess he should get some common sense first.. why in the world would one delete a game because someone else was (in his mind) cheating? I'm really beginning to hate those whinners that can't stand getting their ass whipped after installing a game.. Some others play this game for a year. Of course he will get owned!

i would like to make it clear to everyone that i dont use my "wallhack" during public play or ladder play, its something i tested out on a LAN server, so dont worry guys

Cheaters are in every game... You cant stop them.
Hmm, there are a few ways to detect them.. Dont know If you know "DMW - Anti Cheat Tool" for gaems like Medal of Honour Allied Assault and / or MoH:Spearhead. Ive helped them to develop this application. It works simple and there arent any mistakes it makes, like kicking a player, because he has a map isnt on server (just for example ).

For Nexuiz I can watch, Its working on Dark Places Engine, or? Anything else I have to know??

I can try to make a little test, anti cheat for Nexuiz, that watches your pk3s.. But i cant guarantee soemthing

Tenn wrote:Cheaters are in every game... You cant stop them.
Hmm, there are a few ways to detect them.. Dont know If you know "DMW - Anti Cheat Tool" for gaems like Medal of Honour Allied Assault and / or MoH:Spearhead.
For Nexuiz I can watch, Its working on Dark Places Engine, or? Anything else I have to know??

Well you can always get on irc and ask people there.. i'm not really into anticheating.
Then you'll also get that 1on1 match you mentioned in the other thread

lol ok

Hmm for the 1on1 you only need the basic maps, didnt you? I mean, there isnt any other map like the basic "nexdm**" maps (goes off topic äääh 1on1 ladder topic but i dont want to spam oO)

Man, model looks cool!!

i tihnk best way to check for cheaters (such as wall hack) would be for server admin to auto-request a screenshot, which will show what you see, taken directly form the opengl buffer? so very hard to hack i think...

also, for aimbots, perhaps auto-request a demo/recording of their play?
easier to hack i guess, but still good

by auto request, i mean server admin reckons someone is cheating, and typeins in console
"get screenshot playerwhoitihnkischeatingsname" or something
then player client gets a packet asking for a screenshot
and without the players intervention, it would send a screenshot?

prob is, there is a little space for abuse, but not too much i tihnk...

Nice idea, BUT:

For example CS 1.6!

- Servers are "VAC" secured! BUT the "noob" cheats like aimbots WILL be detecded by VAC. The "pro cheats" WILL NOT detecded by VAC! Why? Thats easy: to make a cheat you need time and "programmer skills" - you have tio know how it works, the game. THEN if you waist time on programming a good cheat, which doesnt "attack" (german "eingreifen") in the "real play", i mena.. how to say : that example: wallhack: everyone knows how a wallhack works, you can see throught walls and/ or points, that are your enemies. If you make a screen there is the SAME what YOU see on it. BUT if the programmer is intelligent, he know that fact, so he makes a little change, if you press F12 (or other hot key for screen) the wallhack will be disabled a few secondes (just 1 millisecond), the screenshot will taken and YOU will NOT see, that this person uses a wallhack. The same in demos. Everytime anyone other than you makes a demo or something else he will see the game, no hack or smething, but only you will se "your game" WITH hack.

I hope I said it right, my english isnt very good in this area xD


EDIT:
And thats not really ard to programm such an "add on". And if you didnt give this cheat to an another, how VAC will catch you??

random rant : cheating calls.

i was there too esteel, and i couldnt work out why he was crying cheat either.

Today was similar, i got the same sort of calls. not like i was giving anyone a real beating, just lazering around and so on.

but i can empathise with some. if i recall being a n00b with online FPS games, it confounded me ppl could actually shoot on the move.
to see someone appear and a fraction later you are dead can defy logic.

now some of the air 2 air shots done every game, would appear as impossible without an Aimbot to a n00b.

one of the funniest cheat calls i saw was playing Team Q3F as the recon ( v.fast low armor +concussion grenades) model. One young guy, Sniper (rifle equivalent of Nex - one shot ur dead) kept shouting wallhack wallhack, cheat etc. he couldnt work out how i kept grenning him even from behind walls, around corners and so on.

The recon model is equipped with Radar scope. official weapon. The sniper was even a regular team player, not a n00b. just never played anything else.

Shows the mentality that "i have the biggest weapon, and should therefore win. anything else must be cheating" maybe just belongs to ppl that cant figure stuff out yet.
Usually, not exclusively tho, its youth aged 10-15 that seem the worst cry babies.


kern

Apropros cheater... I played again and there I saw a very good!!! Player!!!

BUT i dont want to call him cheater, but I think its a bit... wierd his score and the 2. and my....

Tenn wrote:BUT i dont want to call him cheater, but I think its a bit... wierd his score and the 2. and my....

Hmm i think i have been on that server.. it used some very strange weapon settings and i think rune match.. points like this is very possible in that game mode.
You have to collect those runes and get points for holding them.. and also for fraging while holding them..
at least in the default settings. I have no idea what settings this server got.
Think noone was cheating there..

Yes I know the power ups, I used them too! But he joined during the game, the first half I was the first, then Mad Hatter overrunned me and THEN he joined. The weapon settings: Only Nex, One hit one kill.

I think I've mentioned this befor but I'll try again.

THE GAME SOURCE IS FREELY AVAILABLE!
ANY ANTI-CHEAT SYSTEM COULD EASILY BE FAKED.

there

tChr wrote:I think I've mentioned this befor but I'll try again.

THE GAME SOURCE IS FREELY AVAILABLE!
ANY ANTI-CHEAT SYSTEM COULD EASILY BE FAKED.

there

Youre right.. but I think those who want to heat and make a fake... or something like that, if they can change the source etc. blabla.. I dont think those guys are cheating!

Tenn wrote:

tChr wrote:I think I've mentioned this befor but I'll try again.

THE GAME SOURCE IS FREELY AVAILABLE!
ANY ANTI-CHEAT SYSTEM COULD EASILY BE FAKED.

there

Youre right.. but I think those who want to heat and make a fake... or something like that, if they can change the source etc. blabla.. I dont think those guys are cheating!

Yes.. but creating challenges for any cheat makers, would just make it more likely that someone actually does make them. No need to escalate or aggrevate the situation, I dont think any good will come of it.

in a rune match such scores are normal. take all the runes you can and hide. well, not all the time, hide near armor and 200 health. everytime they are here, get out, kill people and get back if your badly wounded... isnt the funniest way to play i know. thats why i dont like runematch that much

of course cheating cant be totaly wiped out
but a few precautionary mesures are cool
personally, i wouldnt like a checksum on textures or stuff, cos i may wanna change em - though not necessarly all textures to white and players to spotted pink to make it easier to play

bearing in mind, one of the best things that could be done perhaps is:
excelent admin system, rcon multiple admins etc
amazing spectator stuff, to view others from first person (perhaps with limits)
its often not too hard to tell if someone is using a wallhack or aim bot while watching them from first person

back in the old days, i played DAOC for a while, when you connect to a server, it checks checksums your files, not jsut to see if your cheating, but to see if an update is needed
i copied a bunch of stuff i wanted changed into another folder, also had a spare blank folder, made a couple of batch files to swap stuff around, and the system was broken jsut like that...
(put yellow smiley faces on the ground among other things)

of course trhat was many years ago, and i wouldnt be cheating now