On my machine, Nexuiz 2.3, mouse movement is abnormally slow, both in the menu, and in the game. The game is playable only with the movement speed set to max, and the cursor movement in the menu is slow even with max speed. Any ideas? Before, it was set on "6" and was fast (in game).

mac? There is a mac acces setting thingy that has default changed. check the changelog

try apple_mouse_noaccel 0

yes apple_mouse_noaccel 0 really needs to be the default....


this one thing will turn off ANY new Mac player because the game is basically unplayable, and it is not obvious how to change this setting!!!

Actually, no.

On a stock OS X with a normal Apple mouse, the better setting is having this at 1 because the OS X acceleration curve makes aiming impossible. Mouse feels jumpy because below a certain speed, it's really slow, and above that speed, it gets really fast at once. Also, with my 400dpi USB mouse and no extra software, 15 is a sensible sensitivity setting in the current version. The Apple Bluetooth mouse I have seems to have 400dpi too and plays the same way.

However, the players who have this problem probably already solve this acceleration problem another way - they probably are using programs like SteerMouse or USB Overdrive to make OS X use a more sane acceleration curve. Apparently USB Overdrive changing the acceleration and Nexuiz disabling it completely "bite" each other somehow.

Also note that Nexuiz isn't the only game shutting off the mouse acceleration in game - the code for doing that is actually the same as ZQuake's.

OK, well at the very least this issue & it's solution need to be a lot more prominent.

I am using 'stock' OSX, without any other software that messes with the mouse settings, and with a generic USB mouse the game is unplayable in its default state. With no obvious fix for this, a new player is simply going to walk away.

I am all for helping to advertise and get the word out about Nexuiz - especially in the Mac community, which would be very receptive of a free, very nicely done FPS. But this one issue will turn away so many new players if they encounter this problem and the 'fix' is not easily known.

I am using a Kensington laser mouse, with no other mouse drivers. I'm going to try that command...

melk wrote:OK, well at the very least this issue & it's solution need to be a lot more prominent.

I am using 'stock' OSX, without any other software that messes with the mouse settings, and with a generic USB mouse the game is unplayable in its default state. With no obvious fix for this, a new player is simply going to walk away.

I am all for helping to advertise and get the word out about Nexuiz - especially in the Mac community, which would be very receptive of a free, very nicely done FPS. But this one issue will turn away so many new players if they encounter this problem and the 'fix' is not easily known.

Well, for me the previous way was worse.

And sorry, that probably will mean no Nexuiz for Mac users then... wait some months for the next release then. We certainly won't make a hotfix for that, as it wouldn't be a fix.

Well, I am the only one in the developer team who has a Mac at all, so don't expect heavy testing for such things. At this state, Nexuiz will NEVER run well on OS X.

BTW, I just tried with the Apple mouse I got with my Mac mini (Bluetooth). Works very fine at sensitivity 9, and I have apple_mouse_noaccel 1.

In any case, use Nexuiz-SDL and complain to Apple for making such a hard to develop for operating system. Apple users just complain, and problems like this one make me not want to support OS X for Nexuiz AT ALL. It just seems to be not worth the effort.

Yep- the apple_mouse_noaccel 0 worked like a charm. Thanks!

divVerent wrote:Apple users just complain, and problems like this one make me not want to support OS X for Nexuiz AT ALL. It just seems to be not worth the effort.

I appriciate it. Thanks for your effort.

Well as long as we do not have to do strange things to support Mac i gues it will just stay like it is.. more testers and coders with a mac would be nice though..

Yes, the problem seems to be that every Mac is different... problems are just as varying as with PCs.

divVerent - I'm not expecting you or any of the other developers to go out of your way to support OSX. As a long time Mac user I'm more than accustomed to developers attitudes towards Apple :p

I'm very glad the game runs at all, and I understand there is practicaly no bug testing that can be done for Mac problems.

When I said: "OK, well at the very least this issue & it's solution need to be a lot more prominent. " I wasn't demanding that you drop everything and fix the problem. The problem, when it does occur, has a very easy solution. My point was that it wouldn't hurt to put this as a known issue in the release notes or changelog, or somewhere that a new user to the game might more easily see it and then know how to fix it if it occurs for them. That's all.

In any case, I have an Intel Mac Mini, so I will try playing Nexuiz under Windows sometime to see how it compares. Heck, I might as well re-install Ubuntu to compare all 3 OS's side by side.

I'm not sure if this is true for every instance or not, but on my MacBook Pro, Anisotropic Filtering was automatically set at x16. When I switched it to "Off" the mouse problems seemed to go away. It's crazy, I know, but it seemed to work that way. No change in FPS that I could see.

Good to know, thanks - need to try this out when I can.

Alright, I feel really stupid (again) right now. I'm bad with cmds and hidden files, where do I set that mouse accel 0 thing?

iSuck wrote:Alright, I feel really stupid (again) right now. I'm bad with cmds and hidden files, where do I set that mouse accel 0 thing?

In the ingame console (press shift+esc to open)

Here a seqence of keystrokes:

Shift-Escape
apple_mouse_noaccel 0
Return
vid_restart
Return
Escape

I just checked back on this (I didn't realize it wasn't totally dead after the last comment when I left) IT WORKED! I had to turn my sensitivity down after this (one extreme to the other) Still: IT worked! I'm off to telll everyone playing on every game I own about how I can play again and ruin their games

Well, thanks. The most amazing part was that you told ME-iSuck-how to use it again. I was pretty sure most people wanted me out (ya, I get beaten by nooblets)

So again, thank you.

I still have no idea why this change was bad for you and many others - it was perfectly fine for me, both with the generic five-euros USB mouse "TYPHOON Optical Mouse" and the Apple mouse that came with my Mac.

Even worse, someone already asked for our "disable mouse acceleration" code and wants to use it in his own game - so we really HAVE to find a solution. Any Apple devs here? MAYBE I was in fact doing something wrong and on some systems, mouse motion is divided by some number so DP still doesn't get the raw mouse motion, but a less exact and less fine one? If that is the case, ZQuake should have the very same problem though...

-- late to the topic, apologies --

DivVerent: The mac you're using; is it PPC or x86? I have an identical problem with the fruitz-of-dojo Quake II port for my intel mac -- the mouse movement is ridiculously slow & if I crank the sensitivity up around 100 or 200 then it becomes choppy. The same port though, running on my old G4 has no issues whatsoever. It's possible all the people with the mouse problems are on intel macs & all the people without are on PPC macs.

I noticed when I first booted up nexus 2.3 a few months ago that it exhibited this problem & was stoked to find the solution so simple. Unfortunately I'm yet to find any way of making Quake II run acceptably on my mac pro :/

I only have a PPC one, and as I was so disappointed with Apple (like: slow GPU, bad ATI drivers, no way to install a new driver, no way to put in a GOOD graphics card, bad user interface that doesn't even let me resize windows anywhere but at the lower right corner and that can't even maximize windows), I won't ever get a Mac again.

So yes, what you suspect may be true. If it can be "officially" verified, we could change the default of the option to 0 on Intel and 1 on PPC. Don't want to base this on guesswork though.

I have an Intel iMac and haven't had any mouse problems. I am using a Microsoft Intellimouse mouse, though, and the program SteerMouse as a mouse driver.

I love Apple computers, but I recommend a non-Apple mouse. They always try to make a cute mouse rather than a functional one. For a game, you need reliable mouse clicks and wheel rolls. Wacky mice with one button or the whole body of the mouse moving for a mouse click or a sloppy-loose scroll ball that's almost flush with the mouse body isn't going to give you good control.

I also highly recommend SteerMouse. It's shareware and costs just $20. You can find it on versiontracker.com or download.com. It gives you much more control over what your mouse buttons do and you can customize the buttons for different applications. For example, my mouse button 5 is shift-click in most programs, but selects the laser in Nexuiz. You can't do this with the standard mouse driver.

USB Overdrive is supposed to be good too.

I want to take a moment to thank the developers for making a Mac version of Nexuiz and for continuing to work on these Mac-specific issues.

I would be happy to help with testing on the Mac platform.

I'm currently running Leopard on an v3 eMac http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMac and playing the current version of Nexuiz. It's not an Intel machine, so it must be PPC.

I wiped the HD and installed Leopard, followed by a few updates from Apple. The only item of software I've installed is Nexuiz plus about 1GB of maps copied from my Kubuntu machine.

I've not noticed any problems with my mouse, it's a simple cheap optical USB mouse from my local supermarket. I increased the mouse sensitivity from 6 to about 15, but then I have to do that on Windows and Kubuntu.

I don't know if this is of any help