Hi there,

I'm nerved by following problem:

When I'm alone on a server, the whole game runs perfectly, my system comes on 120 - 230 fps. Then other players come, and my framerate begins to sink. Specially in maps like Basement (nexdm01) or Downer (nexdm05), where it happens to have many players in sight, framerate is going down to f***in' 6fps.

When my enemies use the Nexgun, I got no chance. I'm dead before I see a shot. Other weapons cause me not that big problem, but they also do.

Sometimes the whole game seems to have a lower speed, just like running on chewing gum!

My System is an Athlon XP2600+, RAM is 1024MB, VGA Controller is a GeForce 6600 (128MB DDR), and it runs on XP Pro. I tested several other PCs and Notebooks, and they all don't seem to have problems like this.

Does anybody know how to solve my problem?

Urmel aus dem Eis wrote:When I'm alone on a server, the whole game runs perfectly, my system comes on 120 - 230 fps. Then other players come, and my framerate begins to sink. Specially in maps like Basement (nexdm01) or Downer (nexdm05), where it happens to have many players in sight, framerate is going down to f***in' 6fps.
I tested several other PCs and Notebooks, and they all don't seem to have problems like this.

Well if it does not happen on other computers the first thing to check are the drivers..
Then do you have vsync active (or forced or something..)?
You can also try the nexuiz.exe vs nexuiz-sdl.exe..
And as last restort you can try this low-detail config here.. http://www.forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?p=90#90

Sounds very strange though

'mkay, drivers are checked.

VSYNC is 0 (should it be something else?).

I tried the sdl as I saw the other posts, it was even worse then. The whole game seemed to vibrate when the others came in sight, and it was slower than with the regular nexuiz.exe.

I changed the config with the help on Green's Planet Nexuiz (the best german Nex Forum ever, but I think me and Green are the only active members ), great efforts, but still it's not the way it should be. Dunnow, maybe Green doesn't know every single point in the config, how could he?

PS: I just can't believe the game runs better on a 2.9GHz P4 with an ATI Radeon X300 than on my system, or a 2.0GHz P4 Notebook witha Radeon 7500, using the same config

Hmm this seems strange indeed.

Have you tried other opengl based games? If so, do thise work ok?

Are your powersuply capable of driving all you hardware under high loads?

Is it possible that your computer need better cooling and/or cleaning? Dust can realy screw up cooling preformance with time.

Are there apps running in the backgound, antivirus programs, instant mesengers etc etc. some of this can do evil stuff to games.

Does it fo the same if you start a local game and add some bots?

Ye You mentioned some things I already thought about.

I'm not so sure if my power supply is still doing its job as well as it should. Maybe I'm using too many cooling units but I don't know how to test this actually.

I don't think it's a thermal problem. I took a look at the monitors, it wasn't that exciting.

I stopped all background apps as far as I could, no difference.

But Imma gonna start a local game, maybe I'm wiser then. Too bad I have to leave home in a few minutes for the whole weekend.

Thank You so far!

EDIT: I Tested w local game, same problems as with human enemies

Im guessing a psu of 350-400W should be able to power you system flawlewssly, but this depends alot on what other hardware is in there too.

Good to know the same thing happens with bots, this leaves out all network related posibilities.

Does your gfx card have a thermal monitor? sometimes havling alot of fans in a box can create unwanted "air pockets" where no mutch air is moved (this is not very likely tho)

Do you have eny possibility to try with an alternative gfx card? this may a bit far fetched tho, but im not sure what else it could be..

Im running outa ideas..

Oh and one thing to try: delete / move the config.cfg in the nexuiz/data folder. This will reset everything to default, just to be sure its not somekinda config issue.

bit of a longshot, but do you know if older versions of nex run ok?
on my windows, 1.2 ran quite nice, but 1.5 was silly low fps
though, a while later, that windows installation did totaly die, which could have been the real cause of the fps drop

might you try downloading the darkplaces source and re-compiling yourself(older or newer ver)?

Or provide him with an 1.2.1 install so he can test that...

i dont have one a 1.2 archive or anything on me...

tbh, id say, check out swiching to linux - the main reasion i can think of not to is if you really wanna run half life 2 (or of course, cant be arsed to swich, or plain dont want to) but the whole vista and trusted computing stuff is worrying me a little...

still, compiling darkplaces for athlon-xp(k7?) prob wont help, but the problem is still unknown - and theres a chance itll work nicer somehow

i tihnk both windows and linux are a little dodgy and unstable, but windows is moreso

i also find on either os, tweaking random things can help

Windows is simply not a decent OS. it is overall a crappy design and it is enforced so because microsoft wont let go of their customers just to make it a better platform. I do however use windows, reluctantly.

Not that this helps our frind here.. I'll see if I can dig up a 1.2.1 install when i get home.

You tried tweaking the settings in control panel and in the game too?

Sorry didnt have 1.2.1 avail here.

Sourceforge.net:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/nexuiz/nexuiz121.zip?download

Hi there,

just to answer some points of discussion:

I had even more probs w the old version, 1.5 runs much better on my machine.

The point tZork mentioned bout the VGA: I used a GF5200 before. Framerates were worse, but the chunky gameplay was quite the same.

My psu does 330W i think, it's a quite good one ENERMAX. But when I'm home again, I'll try to disconnect the second harddisk and maybe the DVD, and then maybe increase the rpm of my CPU Cooler to max speed. See what happens

Mabye your network card sucks?

a thing wrote:Mabye your network card sucks?

Whouldnt matter as long as he has the same problems with bots.

could you try running it under linux?
if you dont wanna install,i think it may be ok to run off a live cd, install the glx drivers and give it a go...
i think a gig of ram should be able to handle a live distro and nex?
may there be any other probs i dont know of?

Chozabu wrote:could you try running it under linux?
if you dont wanna install,i think it may be ok to run off a live cd, install the glx drivers and give it a go...
i think a gig of ram should be able to handle a live distro and nex?
may there be any other probs i dont know of?

I think that it will not work very well. I am using linux kurumin here (live cd based on Knoppix) and I am having the same problems here. When I see bots or players the fps falls to 5 or 6 fps.
my pc:
p4 2.8, 1GB DDR, Radeon 9800, 2 120 GB hard disks and 1 DVD RW. Power is not a problem here, I am using another power supply for the hard disks and the DVD hehehehe. Drivers are updated.

Hooray! I'm not alone !

I tested the next machine this evening, no problems at all...

but Ima gonna find out!!!!

looks like that only nexuiz has that problem here ><". I was playing UT 2004 with everything at maximum and I had no problems.
I will download the new version and see what happens. I am using the 121.

That sounds just fine! Let's kick the jam out of our fuckin' machines

Urmel aus dem Eis wrote::o Hooray! I'm not alone !

Had these problems with a Pentium IV 2.4 GHz and Radeon 9600 on Linux. And have them now with a Celeron D 2,8 GHz and a Radeon 9600 or a 9800 Pro also on Linux. This a Debian 2.6.11, XFree 4.3.0 and ATI 8.22.5.

The first system ran well with Nexuiz 1.2, there were just 2 maps or so, where the frame rate was quite low. Now it's about 2 maps I can play with decent frame rates when more than 4 players are on the server.

I tried Stahl's low.cfg and and dozens of other cvars but it does not help or I haven't found the right combination yet.

but Ima gonna find out!!!!

That would be great.

Okay, there is a growing couple a fellas who notice the same prob. Could it be that it's not a hardware bug?

Maybe it's a useless information, but the game looks similar to the spectator mode (watching the view of other players) when too many players are in sight.

But maybe it's a way to find out where the bug sitzz?

Hmm i'm almost out of ideas.. for once it seems like a hardware/driver problem as you said you (Urmel) have tested other computers and nexuiz is doing fine there..
The new nexuiz 1.5 uses more textures for the models (for the pants/shirts and some models got gloss too now) so the graphic card got more work to do but in general this should be compentsated by the the faster maps and engine tweaks in 1.5. Well maybe there is something strange in your computer setup that makes those additional work hit performance really hard..
If the tweaks i mentioned did not help you might want to test an newer build of the engine.. (nexuizengine20060304beta1.zip)
A fellow gamer had problems with nexuiz being slow.. he somehow disabled the 2.0 shaders..
In worst case one can also try to make a clean install of nexuiz, with no other (older) stuff in it.. and also delete the config.cfg because it might still have some old settings.. When using windows this should be not necessary as config.cfg is in the data directory.. but when using linux it in the directory ~/.nexuiz/data and is used by all versions..
You can also post your config.cfg so others can try it and see how it works for them.. But i almost think it will work fine for others
The jerky movement when specating is caused by the cl_movement.. its a feature to make your own movement smooth. It does so by trying to interpolate where you will be by analyzing your pressed keys.. when specating it also tries to do but as you do not press any button when spectating it makes things worse.. there will be a fix in 1.5.1
Well you might want to try cl_movement 1 vs 0 but i'm also not sure if it might help..

try to make a clean install of nexuiz, with no other (older) stuff in it

..done..

also delete the config.cfg because it might still have some old settings

deleted and copied from another, well working PC to the problem PC. 100% more performance than before. Without other players. Then started this post.

You can also post your config.cfg so others can try it and see how it works for them.. But i almost think it will work fine for others Smile

Right, it's quite fine, although surely not the perfect one. Would like to attach it copy-ready. Not possible here (?).

he somehow disabled the 2.0 shaders

I'll make a try, but somehow I think it will get worse then

Well you might want to try cl_movement 1 vs 0 but i'm also not sure if it might help..

'mkay, that's what I haven't tried yet.

(nexuizengine20060304beta1.zip)

aaahm Ye. Why not. Gonna do a local test...


So, I think Ive gotta work this evening

Greetings to Nämberch! I'll be there again saturday!

EDIT 06-03-06/11:39pm: the new engine was quite bitchy, slower and choppier than with the actual one. Problems to connect to servers, generall bad connection. Disabling the OpenGL shader was also effortless

Hi folks, I talked to my hardware technician. He told me to check out my BIOS settings concerning AGP Speed (1x/2x/4x/8x) and the Graphic Aperture Size.

Sometimes lower settings give You higher performance, indeed!

I'm working an not at home at the moment, so I can't check it out. If Nil or Cavaleiro could make a try before, I'm gonna check it out this evening.

Sorry the following answer will mostly be german..
There is this very nice nice guide BIOS compendium. After searching trough it i'm not sure those two bios settings will really help. Nothing is mentioned about those setting affecting the speed. But yeah its worth a try!
Many german words ahead..
AGP Mode: Diese Option erlaubt es Ihnen, den passenden Modus für den AGP-Datentransfer auszuwählen. Mögliche Einstellungen: 1x, 2x und 4x (Werkseinstellung). Bleiben Sie bei 4x, wenn Ihre AGP-Karte dies unterstützt.
AGP Aperture Size (MB): Hier wird für AGP (Accelerated Graphic Port)- Grafikkarten im RAM ein Speicheradressfenster reserviert, in welches die Speicherzugriffe geleitet werden. AGP Speicherzugriffe (Hostzyklen) werden ohne Verzögerung weitergegeben, wenn sie in den reservierten Bereich fallen. Je größer der Wert umso schneller können die in den Hauptspeicher ausgelagerten Texturen dargestellt werden. Der Wert reicht von 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 bis 256 MB. Der Standardwert beträgt 64 MByte. Die Aperture Size ist eine virtuelle Größe und benötigt den angegebenen Speicher nicht dauernd sondern nur bei Bedarf durch die Grafikkarte. Sie können sich näher unter: XXX informieren. Sie sollten einmal die Einstellung mit der Größe ihres halben Arbeitsspeichers versuchen.
*edit* XXX is appearenly no longer in use.. removed the link the the former forum. There are some pron links now

Well, maybee I have to say it's part of my job to help my technicians troubleshooting in my company which is doin' CAD/CAM Software (also I have to consult our customers choosing the right hardware, so I get the Arschlochkarte when something's not working properly). I've been involved to that kinda stuff for more than 10 Years now. Although I really can't say I'm a specialist.

That's why I was stuck into problems You would'nt believe and even more You wouldn't believe how we solved one or the other problem.

BTW - how is the english expression for the word *Hardwarebeschleunigung* that's appearing in several windows-settings? It could be also very useful bitchin' around with

Generally there's a nice meaning for EDV (=IT) in germany * Ende Der Vernunft * (end of sanity), so there's always a chance to solve something by doing right the wrong thing

Okay everything done. Effortless.

Forget about "Hardwarebeschleunigung", changing the AGP not possible with my mainboard, changing Graphics Aperture Size was also a flop.

The only thing left was installing a new mouse driver. The new SetPoint driver is not working properly with older mice.

The thing I'd like to know: Does anybody use an old logitech mouse with driver version 9.7.91? Problems

The word you're looking for is "Hardwareacceleration"