Being a bit too busy to make an account today, I'm hijacking my daughters for a minute to make an initial post.

I have been talking to some others in the community about the current status of the ladders as they exist. A few have told me that the current ladders are more euro centric and as a result its difficult, if not impossible, for matches to be scheduled and run easily between the continents.

Knowing that I'm unlikely to ever compete in anything again that is serious or be in a clan of some sort to compete, I got thinking that perhaps a north american ladder for 2vs2 might be something people would be interested in being a part of in this community. I don't pretend to know how to run one but I could learn perhaps with a bit of help. I've already made some tentative discussions with another community member about this and he might be willing to help with the server time.

Please post comments & feedback below.

Thank you
Battle Bitch

well, TSA is pretty laid back, we're all about playing together so that we can become better players. We plan on competing but we mostly play for fun. Let me know if you're interested.

It seems like a good idea. I'd be more than willing to help out if possible.

Hi BB,

Well, I'm a robot and vastly superior to you hapless meatsicles, but I'd love to indulge your illogical affinity for sport and specious concept of "fair play," so long as we're agreed to hunt down anyone who catches wind of our offshore betting, starting with the meatsicles who read this thread.

Pardon my verbosity, some jerk shorted the +5 volt rail on my language card with a mortar.

Yes, I'd love to get down and funky w/ some two on two.

I better join a clan before this goes down.

The Dave Clan is also committed to this.

Also, I'm going to run another North American 1v1 tourney in November, tentatively named The Eternal Grand Battle of Heroes and Fate: An Unwelcome Apocalypse
Mark your calendars, cancel your appointments, auction your tickets, and reserve November for this epic clash between mercenaries of doom and warriors of divine malice.
More information to come, in ways you never thought possible.

Dave wrote:The Dave Clan is also committed to this.

Also, I'm going to run another North American 1v1 tourney in November, tentatively named The Eternal Grand Battle of Heroes and Fate: The Unwelcome Apocalypse
Mark your calendars, cancel your appointments, auction your tickets, and reserve November for this epic clash between mercenaries of doom and warriors of divine malice.
More information to come, in ways you never thought possible.

That sounds extremely epic. I shall participate.

I suggest to use the existing 2on2 ladder, american teams should just american teams.

If an american team is challenged by an european team, it can decline the challenge with that reason. I don't see a problem there.

GreEn`mArine, ladder admin.

GreEn`mArine wrote:I suggest to use the existing 2on2 ladder, american teams should just american teams.

If an american team is challenged by an european team, it can decline the challenge with that reason. I don't see a problem there.

GreEn`mArine, ladder admin.

I see one problem. If they decline all Europeen challenges they might not get enough action to climp the ladder, so it's unfair. Just a thought.

Now that I've joined a clan, I am more than wiling to participate.

I agree with morfar. This has been brought up before and hashed out, but I think the US should have its own set of ladders. Not taking anything away from the EU players, its a matter of location and ping. In the last few months the amount of US players has increased, and so has the level of talent playing.

Just as long as the US players don't have to play those damnable Canadians ( j/k Battle Bitch ))

Longhorn wrote:I agree with morfar. This has been brought up before and hashed out, but I think the US should have its own set of ladders. Not taking anything away from the EU players, its a matter of location and ping. In the last few months the amount of US players has increased, and so has the level of talent playing.

Just as long as the US players don't have to play those damnable Canadians ( j/k Battle Bitch ))

More of a time difficulty if you ask me. I haven't seen much of a problem with location ping.

I just see it coming that we would have another dead ladder

GreEn`mArine wrote:I just see it coming that we would have another dead ladder

I agree, people asked for the ladders...then hardly have bothered using them (2on2 TDM and C 3on3 CTF come to mind).

I think this is quite unfair on green, after he spent quite a bit of time to set them up and the lack of interest when he does..please start playing more and then maybe your own ladder's may be made, but until then what's the point of creating more inactive ladders he has to run?

I do not wish for a ladder to be inactive either and I'll admit I don't know the entire scenario that has transpired with the current ones. What I gathered from talking to players from NA was simply that they felt they had a tough time playing on the current ladder due to geography & pings.

Green: I've never meant to step on your toes in this area. I got curious about the current ladder and asked around of the people who had played on it somewhat and got the answers I've already discussed above.

Kojak: I never intended that Green would care for another ladder. My presumption was that a small group of people would run the NA ladder (assuming it came into existence). If Green wished to help that along, he is, of course, more than welcome. I'd also understand if Green feels he should not participate considering past events with his own ladders.

I got this idea mostly because I saw a lot of non-clanned people who seem to want a competitive arena in which to try to test their mettle yet who are fairly casual players on the whole. I bear no ill will to the current ladders but it seemed obvious after a while that there is a need for something ot fill this apparent vacuum in the north american players lives. Perhaps I've over-stating things and my perceptions are inaccurate.

In any event, I extend my apologies to Green, I've not meant to hurt your feelings nor to step on your boundaries in this area of the gaming community we are part of today. I would wish to see something resolved though I am beginning to have my doubts that it will happen any time soon.

BB

Hey

You didn't hurt any feelings here I think. As a matter of fact it is not that "hard" for me to create another ladder from the technical side. When I extended/coded the ladder script I built in an admin interface that allows me to create new ladders, either team or 1v1 ladders.

However, I don't think it makes sense to create another ladder which is just used by NA players. I am not specifically talking about the "Nexuiz ladders" script at planetnexuiz.com/ladders , but I mean that it would not make sense in general. The reason for this is that we still have a small community, and adding additional ladders means to split the community more. As there already is a 2on2 TDM ladder, I can't understand why additional ladders should be added that also play 2on2, just because of nationality.

All the ladders of the Nexuiz ladders are populated by players from all over the world. It is understood that you won't find challenges between a German and an Australian team or player, because it doesn't make sense to play with such a hig ping difference. But in my opinion it should work that NA teams or players challenge other NA teams, but not european teams.

Let me compare this to the AlienTrap forums: There isn't any national forum (e.g. for Germans or other countries that have a major part of players of the Nexuiz community) either, but everyone speaks English here, because this will unite the community and makes it the most effective way of communication.

The fact that the NA people you talked about the existing ladders think that they are EU centric, is because they (the NA players) didn't sign up there and played against other NA players. If they would do so, you couldn't say that they are EU cenctric anymore.

However, as morfar mentioned it, there is one issue indeed: The purpose of a ladder is to prove who is the best (the one who is ranked at the top). When EU and NA players or teams play in the same ladder there might be the situation that either an EU or a NA team is at the top, which can depend purely on the activity of each community (EU/NA) or the team's activitiy itself. But for me I would simply say that the NA team that is at the top (even though there could be an EU team that is placed 1st, and the NA team is 2nd) is still the "1st" NA team. But I am not sure whether other people could handle this situation the same way I could do it. The summary for me is that I would suggest that NA teams get into the existing 2on2 ladder, playing against other NA teams. If I can see that there is a nice activity (harhar, the EU team activity is really easy to break isn't it) we can think again about creating a seperate ladder.

Is there not a limited number of ladder matches a player/team may decline?

Yes, there is, but once you successfully finish a match this limit is reset. The limit is 3 consecutive declines. Besides you can contact a ladder admin and explain that the decline is based on connection issues, which means the admin would delete the match as well if declining isn't possible anymore.

It'd be nice if we had some sort of huge ladder event which would draw more people into ladders.