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ok guys this is the tale of my frustration

DOWNLOADED knoppix 5.1 and 4.0.2 live cd, guess what i liked it!!!
it just fascinating how you can use the consoles (you don't get a chance in winXP) and installed it!! well god thnks i had 2 partitions so i could sacrifice one for the sake of linux.
well i was well prepared before, i had downloaded all the programs i felt i needed drivers and stuff.

AND GUESS WHAT THAT sucked didn't recognise my 2wire WLAN and it couldn't load any drivers i downloaded for linux (it was something about 20) so i decided to do the nswrap.. something thingiee... so it loaded the windows drivers and guess what......
IT SAID THAT THE HARDWARE AINT CONNECTED and when it comes to compilation.....
OMG i'm sorry i have taken and eaten the apple from the unix tree... and unleashed the knowledge of BAD i mean deleting program entries from registry was nothing compared to that...

so i spent the whole time re-booting between windows and linux and PLEASE TELL ME HOW CAN HALF OF YOU USE LINUX AND SAY ITS BETTER THAN WINDOWS.

to all microsoft staff i'm sorry i didn't appreciate your work:'(:(

and ofcourse all that mess with choosing an OS when i turn on the computer. I tried installing some programs for linux and most of them require compilation and that is briefly explained!!!! When i type make into the console it says it doesn't find the file and stuff...

HOW can you even manage life with linux without buying CROSSOVER when all the apps and drivers are made for WIN

DeVsh wrote:ok guys this is the tale of my frustration

Still no reason to PM me about it. Who else did you PM?

DeVsh wrote:AND GUESS WHAT THAT sucked didn't recognise my 2wire WLAN

Which distro were you using? Knoppix is not good when installed to disk.

DeVsh wrote:PLEASE TELL ME HOW CAN HALF OF YOU USE LINUX AND SAY ITS BETTER THAN WINDOWS.

Let's see:
No serious security concerns
It's faster
It doesn't break
File systems are so much nicer
Lots of really good software included with most distros
Can be tuned to run on older hardware and still carry out modern tasks
Much more customisable
If you don't like one desktop environment/window manager use another
If you don't like one file manager use another
If you don't like one CD burner... etc... you get the picture
Much easier to find where problems are with a system (let's see you do an strace on Windows)
It's free
You can recompile the kernel for different tasks
Most distros have a serious package manager
It's not Vista
It's not Windows ME
You don't have to install the Genuine Windows User Choice Suppression tool to have access to updates
Much more configruable for different locales
It isn't afflicted from Birth with Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, WMP, Paint...

DeVsh wrote:I tried installing some programs for linux and most of them require compilation and that is briefly explained!

Try using your package manager

DeVsh wrote:HOW can you even manage life with linux without buying CROSSOVER when all the apps and drivers are made for WIN

How can you even manage life under Windows when all the good programs and decent drivers run on Linux?

You've just had the most common linux problem:
PEBKAC
Google for it, if you don't know what it means.
Like Ed said, you've chosen the wrong distro. You shoud've used ubuntu/kubuntu at least.

Unless you're really into the bleeding-edge or have very specific needs, there's almost no reason to have to compile a program from source in Linux anymore. Not for any average user, and especially not a newbie.

the only issue I have with linux is modern games. I reboot for that anyway. My windows installation is almost a virgin, so it's nice and speedy.

I agree with everything Ed said above. C.Brutali is right, linux takes getting used to, just like windows or mac would. In some cases you may be overwhelmed with choices, which I think is a good thing. You should be able to choose what works for you. I feel the same about windows and linux.

The only issue I have is the person who evaluates with bias, then bitches about it. Linux is a very good solution for most people who stick with it. If it doesn't work for you, do something about it. Research it. If you can't find a solution, go back to what works for you.

EDIT: besides all that I said before, knoppix isn't a very good desktop distribution. Ubuntu will probably have the drivers bundled with the restricted drivers manager. That's like saying windows ME sucks, therefore all other window products suck. Which has some truth, but for sake of example let's pretend it's still 2005 and vista doesn't exist yet.

For me linux never became interesting as some big software companies such as Adobe refuse to have their software done for linux, too. Besides the drivers thing can indeed become an issue when having "special"/"exotic" hardware. Not that I would be afraid of that, as I am a computer scientist and I could figure out how to compile stuff using linux and gcc. But nevertheless it's a lot of effort to get into it (this was already said). Also the "free" aspect isn't as important to me (I could never understand this fanaticism of some people about this "free as in freedom", I know what it means, but they make a huge fuzz about it) and as a student I get Windows for free (as in "not paying money, money matters") as well.

And as I never had experienced serious issues with WinXP, for me there was no reason to permanently switch. Not even just for sake of it to be able to show off with "hey I am using linux" (no offense).

C.Brutail wrote:You shoud've used ubuntu/kubuntu at least.

I think this is just making things just a bit too specific and it's not necessarily the right choice. There are better distros. PCLinuxOS is obviously a good choice now having become a good new home for displaced Mandriva and SUSE users as well as complete novices. It also doesn't limit itself to a single CD installer and doesn't feature the colour brown. My main OS is Sabayon which is a good recommendation specifically on this forum as it's the first distro to include Nexuiz as standard.

As I type I'm using Vector 5.9 on a 550MHz Pentium 3 and it's working very well. It's a really good medium weight distro. Would definitely recommend it for hardware of that sort of age and older.

isn't it too much to expect from me (i'm a teenager) so you know i might give it another try...

but an os which has problems with loading drivers for wireless network cards sucks, i tried with two belkin and 2wire and they both suck...

My way of using OS is internet_radio, WoW and some 2005 games (some NFS and shooters) and instant-messenging using a program like pidgin (which i fuckinn had to compile and the install notes were brief like shit). Oh yes and i also would like to bridge internet connections for the sake of an XbOX (wireless LAN ---> Internet card---> nerwork cable -----> XBOX) is that possible in linux [actually i know it would be possible for some1 who knows about C++ and memory adressing] and ofcourse i would like to use linux for some scripting of mine. SO WHICH DISTRO IS THE BEST FOR ME????

Well, I'm a Linux user for years. And yeah, the driver situation for random devices can be pretty frustrating.

Solution: Only buy hardware which is known to work with Linux.

A Mac user wouldn't simply buy hardware covered all with "Designed for Windows" logos either. Learn from Mac users and apply this to your platform of choice. Inform, then buy.

As for software: Either the software available on Linux satisfies your needs or it doesn't. In latter case just consider sticking with Windows.

Inform, then install.

It's from individual to individual. At first I had good experience with Windows (back at the 95 and 98 age), but I also were just a lad. As I grew so did the problems with windows for me. And today I'm at the stage that if I would see Bill Gates walking down the street I wouldn't hesitate to kill him. That's how much I hate MS and Windows. I've had TONS of millions of problems with windows, which most of them are pathetic bad design flaws and memory related, even core related.
I will not bring up what kind of problems there were, and yes, many of them occured only because of no knowledge and stupidity. But I studied and learned more about windows and because of that I saw bigger flaws.
I now look to Linux to be my saviour, I know it can do it. Ubuntu is a great distro, also it's newbie friendly. One of course would have to have some knowledge of Linux before switching to it.
But there are other great distros out there, the thing is, what works best for you. It's all individal based.

DeVsh wrote:SO WHICH DISTRO IS THE BEST FOR ME????

I would suggest some of the mainstream distros first. Ubuntu (and it's many spin-offs) IMO are the easiest, then there's fedora. Further down the line there's PCLinuxOS, SUSE, Debian, etc. Since you are a newish user of linux I would suggest Ubuntu or Fedora.

[TSA] Psychcf wrote:Since you are a newish user of linux I would suggest Ubuntu or Fedora.

Yeah that's the thing. I tried Fedora but for some reason I had a really hard time trying to install the Nvidia drivers for GF4 Ti 4800. In Ubuntu they are automatically detected and installed (once you engage the installer), but with Fedora it didn't detect it so I went to the Nvidias site.
Fortunately they have a half-good description on how to do it, but there were some more problems and something I had to compile with gcc to make it work. The unfortunate part was that I wasn't able to make it work, and I'm not a Linux guru either.
So I went back to Ubuntu and that works just great for me.

what you should probably do first is check the distro's wiki on how to do things instead of going to nvidia's site. I know it sounds weird, but they will probably have better information.

Now, I can tell you now you should have used some 3rd party repo to install the nvidia drivers on fedora (I forgot the name of the repo), but if ubuntu works for you, go for it.

I admit I have not read the whole thread right now but I wish some ppl would see some facts (the might be subjective):

- If you want to use Linux - do you really WANT/NEED it? Linux is no "Windows without bugs". Both systems have completly different aims.
Maybe this is too general but Windows is (in my opinion) a system that is good for maximum usability and user friendly. Linux is just like building your own house and make it work EXACTLY as you want it. But you need to spend work in it. So make yourself clear about what you want and need. You cannot solve everything with two clicks.

- You cannot force a provider of Hardware/Software to make it Linux compatible. Same way you cannot expect to let this Hardware or Software work on Linux. In many situations you can, in other would need to spend some work on it, in others you can not.

- Read the documentations. Every distribution comes with a large documentation, online WIKIs and dozends of manpages - one for every program. If you do not really feel to dig into it, you are definetly on the wrong boat.

Maybe this was too general but that is just my opinion. There is no "better" system in my opinion. I use Linux and done. I am happy with it but I also see the limits and restrictions you have with BOTH systems).

WLAN is one of the few things that can give you a headache. Usually, when you want to install linux, you first - before buying the notebook/computer/whatever - make sure that its WLAN is supported
simply google for the modelname and you'll find either drivers or complaints, where as the first is good, the latter rather bad

i never had problems with my wlan :>

But well, sure, windows does have hardwareproblems as well...
when I bought my PC, i couldn't install win XP because it couldn't find the HDDs..
i had to f' up my hdd settings in bios to make it work

linux worked with -any- settings

but sure, I had hardware problems with linux too: the "Cinergy XS" video thingy
that one: http://tven.terratec.net/modules.php?op ... le&sid=236

well, guess what, you don't find linux drivers there, click on "driver" on the right side...

but you can be sure that for many - not all, but many - things, there are unsupported third party drivers, i use them, and it worked

But of course, it takes time to find them, and to get them to work - hell, that one was a PITA since it was incompatible with the sound drivers I was using... it gave me a kernel crash - solution: I mixed kernel alsa and alsa-project alsa drivers... and it worked
(div said it's a bug that it actually works and i should report it as such XD)

So here's what I'm trying to show you:
Linux is not windows - There are distros where everything runs automatically, where you just choose what you want and get it - but with no guarantee that -everything- works. (Most things do though!)

A couple of weeks ago I switched from Windows to Linux because I was still on win98se [... yeah true ! But I have always refused to have any XP or Vista crap on my PC] So I asked some friends their advice on the best distro for a Linux newbie like me and they almost in chorus said Ubuntu. So I went with Ubuntu. As with any change, it takes some time to get comfortable with everything new but so far I am loving it. I have found replacements for every program I needed and I did not play any windows only games either so for me it wasn't so difficult. I need some old DOS stuff but DOSemu is perfect for that.

I have had a great help in my clan brother FruitieX who has helped me with a lot of stuff. There is also the internet to help you out when you are stuck. But I only really use Ubuntu as a Windows replacement. At some point you need or want something that needs some more work and if you really want or need it you will work out the way to get it. My reason for switching was getting away from MS products as best as I could, not to be cool.

My advice ? Make sure your hardware runs Linux well [I had to buy a new graphics card to even load a GUI ] and it helps to have somebody who knows a lot about Linux to give you a hand. And reading a lot of course, that's what the internet was for remember ?



Pink Robot recommends Windows Vista Home Premium.

I also worked with linux but forgot most of it ,for gaming xp isnt bad , but sure i would go linux , mabye i go cedega when i have the cash for it
i know cedaga are a bunch of betraders. but i want play my directx10 and get some fast updates for some games go go go wine

whats the best distro for nvidia stuff ? like new cards and mainboards ?

http://appdb.winehq.org/screenshots.php ... ionId=9583