We really dont give ourselves enough credit.

Look at these wonderful hands! They flex and move so perfectly, they curl and form tools.

We are really quite dangersous.
Dogs and cats and large birds really dont stand much of a chance.
The other day a dog attacked me, well, I attacked it rather.

What else are you supposed to do when a dog runs at you? You kick it of course!

From today forward I will accomplish feets of incredible human badassery.

This includes: Moving considerable distances, attacking animals and fending of animals that attack me.

Let us all rejoice over our humanity.

Wait, dogs can attack people?

Dogs are NOT nice critters when they get angry no matter how domesticated they are supposed to be.

Psychcf wrote:Wait, dogs can attack people?

They can bite your arms of

........... Nice speech.

Wait, what? Rejoice in humanity by beating animals?

Be careful, talk like that will get your house firebombed by PETA nuts.

PETA eh?

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

That'll show 'em.

PETA are whiners, ALF is the way to go.

Humans is probably the most weak animals that walks this planet. Now I'm not saying weak as in 'strength'. The ONLY thing we do better than other animals is thinking, really that's the only reason why we have survived this long, it's because of our intelligence.
There are tons and tons of other animals out there that beats us in all other aspects. Can you for instance survive -272 degrees Celsius and up to +150? Can you see really well in darkness, can you survive with minimum to none sleep? Can you sniff out other predators or hear them really well?

The answer is 'No' to everything. We humans are pathetic and incredibly weak, we don't even deserve to be the number one survival species from the weak standpoint.
So the only thing you should be happy about is that you can think. And by thinking I mean no reckless or unnecessary actions that does not benefit you in some way.

Animals don't just attack humans without a reason, animals don't kill people without reason or for pleasure, if other animals don't benefit from either killing other animals or fend it off they will pretty much ignore them.

You clearly do not know the nature the animals live by and you clearly do not know the nature we humans live by. I suggest educating yourself in that area, maybe you'll see the whole thing differently then.
And your 'feets of incredible human badassery' (which by the way I think you mean 'feats') is pointless. Nothing will get accomplished from this anyway. Also, 'feats' are only always in a human or personal (individual) standpoint. Such things don't really exist.

Oh one last thing, if an animal attacks you it's a totally different thing than a human. For animals, no grudges or 'revenge' or whatever you wanna call it is necessary. For the simple reason as, they are acting on instinct. YOU are acting on grudge and/or revenge. Those things are totally unnecessary and actually not many (if any) animals have those capabilities. In fact, instinct is the only thing you need, all the other feelings are just overload and bad.
An animal would never attack anyone for the sole purpose that last week he got a beating or that last week he didn't get as much food as he liked to from his master.

My family has two dogs, when they sometimes do bad things like eat up their chickens (that roam in the chicken yard) they give them a little spanking and whatnot. Nothing major but still, those dogs have yet to attack my family.

ai wrote:Animals don't just attack humans without a reason, animals don't kill people without reason or for pleasure, if other animals don't benefit from either killing other animals or fend it off they will pretty much ignore them.

Which is the opposite of what humans do. Beside the weak and shitty sick bodies, they just suck.
Although, they CAN be strong, not only training can make you strong, but technique and flexibility can help you, too.

dude what? If we're so weak how can we have survived to become the dominant race?
Besides, I dont attack dogs for no reason, I rather like dogs, but when a large dog comes running at you at an alarming speed through the forest I dont really think you have much of a choice but to defend yourself, besides, the dog was fine.

I may not be able to swim super fast or run really fast or jump really high or climb really fast. But, I can do all of them decently, no other animal can do all of that as well as we can. Of course some animals can do one or two or three (at tops) better than us but we can still do one or more better than them.


And then theres intelligence.
Sure, intelligence kicks some major ass but you still cant do shit without these awsome arms and legs. Seriously, to kill a bear one must lift a large heavy object onto a high place and push it off onto the bear when the bear comes to eat the bait.

Intelligence is required, the ability to climb is required and the muscle power to lift a heavy object into the tree.


By the way, humans are naturally very strong and flexible. However, this society which ultimatly forces us to live in chairs, makes us weak and stiff. A wild human would be probably one of the most dangerous animal around.
A human can't just be "weak" .
We eat the same foods and we're made of the same stuff as our fellow animals. (and
we're mamals, the sturdiest animals around)

And why is it that you assume I am acting on grudge/revenge? I am acting on pure instinct, if a ball is thrown at you the you catch or move.
If an animal is moving at high velocity through a forest after you you instinctivly kick it.
I said that I had attacked the dog because it never actually did anything, I just did somthing before it could do anything.

And if PETA wants to do somthing for defending myself, I'll fucking kick them in the face to.

Vermin wrote:dude what? If we're so weak how can we have survived to become the dominant race?

Why we have become the dominant race is because, and only because, of our intelligence. 300 years ago we were only 2 million humans scattered around the planet, but since 1700 up to now we have multiplied like crazy (6.8 billion). Because we create our own food, we create a safe place for our children and we have medicines that cures deceases. People died from a simple scar infection before.

But what goes that we are weak, yes we are, though I'm not saying we are the weakest species out there. It's not because of our arms and legs we have been able to form and hold stuff, it's because of the thumbs. Without thumbs it would have been hard to get to where we are now.

A wild human would be dangerous yes, but not the most dangerous out there. But that doesn't matter as there aren't many wild humans out there and there probably never will if we continue to evolve the society.
There are only two thinks human can do better than an animal, and that is thinking and flexibility. Yet again, it's not because of our arms and legs, but because we walk on two legs. If another animal walked on two legs they would eventually become as flexible as us.
But in terms of strength to other animals, we are one of the weakest ones. Ants, dogs, wolves, birds, bears, they are all stronger than us, especially their jaws. If you where to be matched up against any one of these and they were as big as you, you would have a hard time.

But of course are cats, dogs and birds weaker than us now cause they are smaller than us, so of course they don't stand much of a chance. But if you where to be teamed up against a bear as big of a difference than we are to dogs, you most certainly would be defeated as easily as dogs by humans.

However, the whole point is that, we should NOT rejoice of our humanity, if we should rejoice it's because of our ability to think logically and intelligently. But we should rejoice as much as any other species that does something better than other species. We are not special, we are just a little different, just like all the animals.
Instead of keen sense of smell, good hearing, the ability to fly or good eyesight, what we have is intelligence, which in this case turned out to be a very valuable.

Ants? dude seriously. Things work differently on a scale that small.
If an ant were our size it would die from its own weight.
Wolves are stronger than us now, but a wild human would be stronger than a wolf.


And didint you hear about that marine killing a bear with a log? Thats pretty much what our relationship would have been with bears when we were still wild.


About intelligence, its great and all and so are our thumbs, but remember, if you know how to make an axe but you dont have the muscle power to swing it and chop down a tree, whats the point?

Has this thread anything to do with Nexuiz?

C.Brutail wrote:Has this thread anything to do with Nexuiz?

Everything Well, someone could move this thread to the Alientrap - General Discussion place. It would be more appropriate. I do like this conversation though ^_^

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Anyway. Do you have actual fact that the ant would collapse under its own weight if they were our size? I wouldn't think it did. But the point is that, an ant IS stronger than a human. It can lift way above it's own weight, we hardly can even lift 1/4 or our weight.
Wild humans are gone. There's no point in talking about those. It's pretty much the same thing as I would talk about us still being apes with tails and stuff and swinging in trees. I'm talking current time, current humans. In fact, I wish we would be like we were before, we were stronger, faster, more active and alert.
I also said we aren't weakest, and certainly not so weak that we cannot lift an axe. I'm talking in relation to other animals.

And nope, didn't hear about that with the marine killing a bear with a log. Ultimately it wasn't the log that helped him win, it was his intelligence I bet. If he wouldn't know what to do with the log it wouldn't be much of use. For instance, give that bear a log, do you he would win if he had one?
Now I'm not saying it's impossible to kill a bear, bears come in all sizes. I was talking about a bear as big of a difference than we are to dogs. That's up to a three humans stacked together, turn that into a bear and viola, you have a big fight on your hands.

Hardly lift 1/4 our own weight??? I can pick up people my own size and bigger and carry them around.

There is a reason why orthropods are small. It is because without nescessary amounts of oxygen or low gravity it is impractical to have such a dense exo skeleton.

It was not just the humans intellegience it was those handy dandy little thumbs and arms that aloud the human to kill the bear. We may be a weaker compared to many animals but we can do more things than other animals can with that limited strength.

We can throw a log, we can chop a tree, we can strangle an attacking animal and we can climb, swim, run, and dig.

Everything is a balance, without one thing the others are irrelevant.

I don't want this to be a topic like 'Humans vs all other species". I'm mainly talking about we should not rejoice over anything, cause as we can rejoice by all the things we do better than other animals, the other animals can rejoice over what they do better than us.

EDIT: For instance, if you were to throw out any human who lives in a big city, buying food in stored and whatnot into the wild, how long would he be able to survive. Would he be able to find food and most importantly water without resorting to robbing a mall or something. We pretty much have forgotten how to survive on our own, how to hunt and etc.

We'll find out.
If things work out correctly I'm gonna go on a minimal supply camping trip on the coast of lake michigan.
If I live I'll let you know.
If I dont I probably wont.

When I say miniml I mean a magnifying class some clothes a knife on 2 meals worth of emergency rations, a disinfectant and a peice of charcoal.

and MAYBE a tent.

This is if things work out correctly.

You forgot to mention how long you would be camping.

However.

You should start out with nothing to be fair. And especially NOT have a magnifying glas and NOT have any disinfectant, that's just ridiculous. I'm not talking scout equipment and survival. I'm talking nothing more than just clothes. As clothes is our 'fur', to put it bluntly. We once had fur, but with time it disappeared as we started to wear clothes and whatnot.
Throw a city person in the wild without anything but the clothes. I can also give whatever equipment they are wearing. I doubt though they will have a magnifying glas or disinfectant in their pockets, knife possibly.

Make your own weapons if you need any, find a way to make up a fire. Anyone can survive with the stuff you mentioned. It gets cold at nights, especially at the end of the summer so you have to prepare for the night, gather up some stuff to keep you warm and find a safe place to sleep. Wind proof, ideally rain proof, but most importantly predator proof. Build a quick place for the night if it looks like it could rain or get windy.

Many humans don't even know how to make a fire cause they're used to their matches and lighters. They don't know that a simple wound could lead to critical conditions as they take that for granted. I bet they don't even know that licking the wound does help a little against infection, as your saliva not only cleans but protects the wound a little.

A magnifying glass is a bit much I suppose.
Disinfectant is really only if I majorly fuck myself up. (majorly fuck up meaning I stab myself in the leg with a big rusty metal thing. i've done it before.)
Minor disinfectants can be harvested from certain bushes.
I have a knife on me for a good portion of the time. If I were to be launched out into the wilderness I would probably have a knife on me.

People instinctivley know how to survive in the wild but our stupid society has convinced them that they dont. When your a child and your instincts havn't evaporated you find the strange urge to lick a cut, like you said, this can deter infection and even lessen pain.

Also, I agree that a person from the city would not survive but I am not from the city.
Its a quarter mile to my next door neighbor.

My abundant food sources are leaks, unfortunate tourists (jking), fish, walnunts, general foliage, and whatever else I can find. I would eat turkeys but I dont like to eat things beyond a certain intelligence.

Lol, talking about this is reminding me of my test trip.
Just to see what it would be like I went ahead and slept out in my forest. It wasn't to bad. I pretty much ate some rather tasty weeds, walnuts, and soomak. (I have no idea how to spell it so I just took a guess as to how it would sound if our language didnt suck.)

Primative humans

Uncontacted Tribe Photographed in Brazil

I wish there was a way to inform them of the suckage of society without sucking them into it.

After this topic is dead I'm going ot make an equally contrversial one about americans and europeans. It will be crazy.

Its good to have these things somtimes, just to get people thinking stuff.

vomit wrote:Primative humans

Uncontacted Tribe Photographed in Brazil

Great post. Love those people.

Predator proof isnt really a problem, most things around here would be food if they attacked me. A bear is really the only thing I have to worry about but those are extremely rare around here, although I hear they are becoming more prevelant.

Sorry for bumping this old (humans vs other animals) thread But I want to quote Richard Dawkins from his "A Devil's Chaplain" book here.

Richard Dawkins wrote:Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence; the gift of revulsion against its implications; the gift of foresight - something utterly foreign to the blundering short-term ways of natural selection - and the gift of internalizing the very cosmos.