ai wrote:

4m wrote:Why do you try to avoid death, anyway? What makes you think it's bad?

I personally am not afraid to die and I don't actually see it as a bad thing. I can't wait to die and see what happens (although I have a pretty good and accurate idea) -_^, just that I will not go down without a fight.
But the concept 'fear of death' is more along the lines 'preserving the species'. Oh and also, fear of pain, not the actual death part. Death is nice compared to the pain before it, unless you're lucky and go down really fast.

"Going down really fast" is one of my specialities!

morfar wrote:Yes, we all have the same origin. But we share most history with chimpanzee of course.

Damn I wish we had a tail, and fur. I love tails! Actually a tail would be perfect for us as we walk on two legs. We have bad balance in the first place, why not add a tail to get perfect balance? Yes, the big toe is a major part of our balance, but I want more.

Pardon me but i have been programmed that the human male does have a tail between the front of his leggs...

ai wrote:Actually a tail would be perfect for us as we walk on two legs.

The only group that tried to combine a tail with walking and running bipedalism is long extinct.

Maybe you would be better off to try a jumping gait with that configuration?

yellow robot wrote:Pardon me but i have been programmed that the human male does have a tail between the front of his leggs...

No no no what we need is a tail that you could communicate emotions with. For example you can easily tell when a dog is happy - because of the tail.

(This thread is evolving wonderfully. I wonder what the next post will be about...)

halogene wrote:

yellow robot wrote:Pardon me but i have been programmed that the human male does have a tail between the front of his leggs...

No no no what we need is a tail that you could communicate emotions with. For example you can easily tell when a dog is happy - because of the tail.

(This thread is evolving wonderfully. I wonder what the next post will be about...)

That's because posts along the lines of:

"Humans ARE wonderful and capable"
or
"I'm glad you beat that animal"

gets deleted by a self hating animal lover it seems.

Didn't you leave?

Flying Steel wrote:The only group that tried to combine a tail with walking and running bipedalism is long extinct.

Kangaroos are extinct?

halogene wrote:No no no what we need is a tail that you could communicate emotions with. For example you can easily tell when a dog is happy - because of the tail.

(This thread is evolving wonderfully. I wonder what the next post will be about...)

Well, I could wag my tail to communicate my happiness to everyone around me, but that usually results in being arrested. I am now communicating my emotions in the way that bonobos do as a more socially acceptable alternative.

4m wrote:Didn't you leave?

Flying Steel wrote:The only group that tried to combine a tail with walking and running bipedalism is long extinct.

Kangaroos are extinct?

I said I'm done with nexuiz, not done with counterbalancing "people are worthless and should all die" posts.

Have you seen anything released from me in the past few weeks?
No.
Because I don't want to make stuff for you people to use/enjoy/not-enjoy anymore. I dislike many of you.

4m wrote:

Flying Steel wrote:The only group that tried to combine a tail with walking and running bipedalism is long extinct.

Kangaroos are extinct?

No. Kangaroos walk and run bipedally?

tundramagi wrote:I dislike many of you.

What about me?

humans are weak fragile creatures. however, we are strong not just in intelligence, but in imagination, belief, and will power. those 3 things are the key to accessing the celestial archives and be granted entire knowledge. that and a basic knowledge of psionics.

Heh, even if one had access to a celestial archive, people would make as much use of it as they do their local library .

Kangaroo's jump. But still, I never said anything about walking bipedally. I said I wanted a tail. I fully believe even creatures walking/jumping/swimming on two legs can exist easy. Dinosaurs had two legs and many of them had both tails and ran bipedally, no problems there.

Just because something like that doesn't exist doesn't mean it can't. However, the fun things is that we DO have a tail at one point of our creation. When we're still a fetus we do develop a tail. But the older the fetus gets the tail gets absorbed and eventually fully disappears. There have been people born with tails as well. Some tails are just skin and nothing more, you can't move it or anything, it just hangs. Other people actually develop bones in their tails and makes them able to move it.

God I wish I had a tail. O good one and all, like cats. Or as strong as Kangaroos. Or have a cat tail but it's as strong as Kangaroos, that would be the best. ^_^

ai wrote:I fully believe even creatures walking/jumping/swimming on two legs can exist easy.

Just not with tails.

Dinosaurs had two legs and many of them had both tails and ran bipedally, no problems there.

Except the extinction thing, with their only living descendents being tailess bipeds (birds).

But you are a skilled enough character modeler and animator are you not? So there is really nothing to stop you from bringing your perfect, tail augmented self into the world of Nexuiz to dominate with your highly balanced aerial acrobatics!

You can put the "ai" back in "tail".

Flying Steel wrote:

ai wrote:I fully believe even creatures walking/jumping/swimming on two legs can exist easy.

Just not with tails.
Let me reform that: I fully believe even creatures walking/jumping/swimming on two legs and with a tail can easily exist.

Dinosaurs had two legs and many of them had both tails and ran bipedally, no problems there.

Except the extinction thing, with their only living descendents being tailess bipeds (birds).

Except the dinosaurs that walked on two legs and had a tail got extinct by a meteor. They didn't become extinct by natural selection. Thus making your view/theory in this case wrong.
Btw, birds to have a tail, just that it is feathers and not a 'actual' tail.

Some humans are born with a small tail, and we all have a vestigial tail in the form of a few fused tail vertebrae. I want a tail with bony spikes at the end. It'd be useful as a defence mechanism and a wifi antenna mast.

ai wrote:Except the dinosaurs that walked on two legs and had a tail got extinct by a meteor. They didn't become extinct by natural selection. Thus making your view/theory in this case wrong.

That's no excuse, along with us mammals, dinosaurs survived the greatest mass extinction, by that asteroid that hit near Australia probably. In fact that is what let them dominate, that asteroid killed saurosuchus and other pillar-erect legged reptiles, so that they could rise to the top (on land).

Then a much less devastating comet impact killed them, certainly because their size/shape class that carried them into the Triassic had been replaced by the tailess birds that had branched from it. There simply is no other explanation.

Btw, birds to have a tail, just that it is feathers and not a 'actual' tail.

Tail feathers are not tails, they have no real weight and cannot be used for balancing or grabbing onto things. They're just feathers for flying and looking pretty.

Flying Steel wrote:That's no excuse

Um, yes it is. Getting extinct by outer means other than natural selection is anything but natural. Thus, it doesn't matter what kind of creature you are, no matter how 'superior' or inferior you are, you still will die.

If such a comet would strike us now and kill all humans and most of the life on this planet, then who's to say that bipedal tailed beings couldn't arise? Or are you saying that under no circumstances such creatures can exist whatsoever? If so, that's blind and inaccurate thinking.
Bipedal tailed dinosaurs are a great example that they can. If they were to get extinct by natural selection then I might have thought differently, but this isn't the case. In fact, they pretty much dominated over other species (don't take this for granted, I haven't read dinosaur history in a long time, but from what I can remember ). T-Rex and Velociraptors where the main superiors to others.

That's no excuse, along with us mammals, dinosaurs survived the greatest mass extinction, by that asteroid that hit near Australia probably. In fact that is what let them dominate, that asteroid killed saurosuchus and other pillar-erect legged reptiles, so that they could rise to the top (on land).

The event at the end of the Triassic was nowhere near the greatest mass extinction. That was at the end of the Permian, and almost sterilized the planet ( around 80-90 % of all life exterminated). And it wasn't caused by an asteroid.

By the way, dinosaurs (and archosaurian reptiles) were much more diverse than mammals and they dominated the planet for some 200 million years. And not all of them were bipedal, like ceratopsians, sauropodas, stegosaurians (they had a nice spiky tail) etc. And birds just mutant tailless velociraptors with wings.

ai wrote:T-Rex and Velociraptors where the main superiors to others.

Yeah I heard that too on a documentary from a while back... called Jurassic Place or something. T-Rex ruled and ate Ornithomimosaurus and Ibex populations while Velociraptors were so big and mean that they could eat people and they fed on little turkey-sized Deinonychus and Aurochs.

Agelith wrote:The event at the end of the Triassic was nowhere near the greatest mass extinction. That was at the end of the Permian, and almost sterilized the planet ( around 80-90 % of all life exterminated). And it wasn't caused by an asteroid.

No you misunderstand, I was talking about the Permian extinction, both mammals and dinosaurs lived before and survived the Permian extinction. But then only the former survived past the Cretaceous extinction.

So I guess we have established that two legged, bipedal tailed creatures can exist and can do so with ease. Which the the whole main point I was trying to drive through.

Btw, I never said that all dinosaurs where bipedal, I'm not that stupid.

ai wrote:So I guess we have established that two legged, bipedal tailed creatures can exist and can do so with ease. Which the the whole main point I was trying to drive through.

To celebrate, I will model and bring in a representative into Nexuiz as a character class / player skin. In fact the process is already begun.

(Ominous Vibration Ripples Through Nearby Inexplicably-Present Pools of Water)

Flying Steel wrote:

4m wrote:

Flying Steel wrote:The only group that tried to combine a tail with walking and running bipedalism is long extinct.

Kangaroos are extinct?

No. Kangaroos walk and run bipedally?

Maybe? Just because they choose to jump doesn't mean they can't walk normally. You can jump, i can jump, and dinosaurs were probably jumping, too.

@ Vermin

Dude, Your Location Under your Avatar made me Laugh at Work...

Uh, he's long gone.