tZork wrote:

divVerent wrote:That's how most artists are. They don't care for that legal stuff.

what the fuck?! have you been taking classes from mikee on how to offend large groups of ppl at once? you know better then that. at least i thought you did.

I don't really think it's that big of a deal. I'm an artist, and I do think data should be free. You can't own and control information because it is abstract, it has no physical presence or limitations to quantity and as such no one can "steal" it from you, they can only copy it, which doesn't deprive you of it (which is what actual stealing would do).

But that aside when we contribute to open projects, we just have to check that whatever materials we use are GPL or PD (or double check in the case of CC licenses which are more complex and some of which might be bullshit when it comes to being "Common", imo). And of course you always have the option to make it all from scratch, which is the safest and most glorious route.

Flying Steel wrote:

tZork wrote:

divVerent wrote:That's how most artists are. They don't care for that legal stuff.

what the fuck?! have you been taking classes from mikee on how to offend large groups of ppl at once? you know better then that. at least i thought you did.

I don't really think it's that big of a deal. I'm an artist, and I do think data should be free. You can't own and control information because it is abstract, it has no physical presence or limitations to quantity and as such no one can "steal" it from you, they can only copy it, which doesn't deprive you of it (which is what actual stealing would do).

But that aside when we contribute to open projects, we just have to check that whatever materials we use are GPL or PD (or double check in the case of CC licenses which are more complex and some of which might be bullshit when it comes to being "Common", imo). And of course you always have the option to make it all from scratch, which is the safest and most glorious route.

Well, what im reacting to is a official alientrap developer making a statement that's roughly equalizes most artists with criminals. not cool.

tZork wrote:

Flying Steel wrote:

tZork wrote:

divVerent wrote:That's how most artists are. They don't care for that legal stuff.

what the fuck?! have you been taking classes from mikee on how to offend large groups of ppl at once? you know better then that. at least i thought you did.

I don't really think it's that big of a deal. I'm an artist, and I do think data should be free. You can't own and control information because it is abstract, it has no physical presence or limitations to quantity and as such no one can "steal" it from you, they can only copy it, which doesn't deprive you of it (which is what actual stealing would do).

But that aside when we contribute to open projects, we just have to check that whatever materials we use are GPL or PD (or double check in the case of CC licenses which are more complex and some of which might be bullshit when it comes to being "Common", imo). And of course you always have the option to make it all from scratch, which is the safest and most glorious route.

Well, what im reacting to is a official alientrap developer making a statement that's roughly equalizes most artists with criminals. not cool.

I think Div has made it clear though he doesn't want to be an "official" dev with all of that extra load riding on him simply because he is contributing more than ordinary community members and doing so for free. That's basically having to buy one responsibilty and then getting another one for free.

I'm unclear on what Alientrap is or how it is organized, but my understanding is Nexuiz at this point is supposed to be a community project with some ranking, but primarily developed by people who just love this game and game development.

Also on a side note, with so many modern countries that imprison and considers criminals, folks for just smoking or eating happy plants and mushrooms and similarly harmless activities, "criminal" doesn't by itself mean all that much. Laws are just very well enforced and temporary opinions, your main reason for obeying them is so that you don't get squashed in your time, place and culture. But I digress. . .

On the topic of the new release, thanks to everyone who made 2.5-2.5.1 happen, I think this release is basically an improvement on all fronts- better refined physics, a super balanced arsenal that now looks awesome, new weapons that fit more fighting styles and make sense with the pre-existing ones, the jet pack and finally the game has obviously now got alot of attention in the audio department with both music and sound effects.

I have a problem,
I download 2.5.1 full zip 8 times and when i extracted files i get CRC problem, the file nexuiz data 20090501 is curupted. I had to reinstal windows 6 times becuse the whole system crashed. I download the file from another computer to make sure that is not a hardware problem. Later one when i extracted i save broken files so i could play. If i didnt do that computer never starts. I use winzip and winrar, I use self repair, to much to count, nothing helps. When I play the game the sound was corupted. The 2.5 didnt work as 2.4.2 either so whatever u guys did is bad. I'm not trying to be mean here, but players are not satisfide, we get lags from nowhere, even i have a ping 50 is hard to play on the servers that use to work.
Dont know what will happened when i run the game now, with new windows and new moterhboard. Old system crashed.
Take care, and try to fix problems, make similar to 2.4.2.
Thanks,
Karl

I would like to play 2.3 version on 2.5.1 servers, but unfortunately it doesn't work.
Is there anything I could do with it? 2.3 is my favorite version.
help please

I Installed 2.5.1 and have many "Video" Crashes, the monitor seems to keep going "Black" and I have to wait about 2 minutes then "Restart' the Computer and Windows Vista Boots up but if I start "Nexuiz" it happens again.

I will uninstall 2.5.1

And wait untill 2.5.2 or something

Specs:
Dual Core Pentium 4
Windows Vista Ultimate service pack 1
NVidia Graphics 8 series Graphics card
500 gig hard drive
3 gigs RAM
20 inch ViewSonic flat panel

And you are sure to have an original Nvidia driver installed, not a generic windows one?

Is anyone aware of the constant freezes in 2.5.0 for Mac? I haven't tested 2.5.1 yet.

Apparently a video memory issue. Increase gl_picmip (that is, reduce texture quality in the menu).

divVerent wrote:Apparently a video memory issue. Increase gl_picmip (that is, reduce texture quality in the menu).

Is that directed at me?

Yes, as this was the issue for another mac user.

Basically, 2.5 needs much more video memory than previous versions due to larger textures and more weapons, and Macs seem to handle this especially badly.

Lee_Stricklin wrote:

Alien wrote:If it's not a secret, which shooter is this. I rather liked refueled.

I don't know the legality of it, but using google I found this:

http://modarchive.org/index.php?request ... _songtitle

It will play on any media/music player that will read xm.

Yes. The page says it is GPL, but the file contains data that its copyright holder released commercially and would never give out as GPL.

tZork wrote:

divVerent wrote:That's how most artists are. They don't care for that legal stuff.

what the fuck?! have you been taking classes from mikee on how to offend large groups of ppl at once? you know better then that. at least i thought you did.

No, it's true - but not meant as an insult. Either you're an artist, or you know the laws well. Legal stuff is very complicated, and if you use your time to work on your art, you have no time and no interest to read and understand the laws well enough. Plus, most artists simply don't care, they think "everyone else uses samples from various sources, it's normal, so I do it too".

See also posts of samples on some websites, most people there saying "it's combined from <this commercially released sample> and <this sample found on some website>". It is simply normal... but illegal.

http://www.hammersound.com/cgi-bin/soun ... tLength=15

"This is a soundfont I created from samples of a mellotron choir."
"Contains synthetic organs and "sampled" harpsichords, also acoustic guitars and a few good voices from other sound- fonts."
"4 drumloops from the sample CD Neolithic Beats"
"Sampled from a Future Music CD"

http://www.hammersound.com/cgi-bin/soun ... tLength=15

"It is a stereo Chinese Style Orchestra Hit SoundFont sampled from CD"
"Superb female voice soundfont which has been composed out of mixed and processed opera voices that sound spacious, deep, and expressive."
"My first SoundFont! It is a combination of TronStrings, Campbells Cello,matrix strings and Bright Mellotron. Thanks to all above who contributed their fonts! sfArk (2.64MB/3.67MB)"
"This is a great orchestral Soundfont i made with samples i found on the net."

None of this is GPL compatible, or even legal to use at all.

Well, there are exceptions to this:

"I recorded this today using myself and a mic. You won't find these samples anywhere else, E-Mail Me - <mail address>"

But most such stuff you find on the internet is illegal, because their authors simply don't care about that legal stuff. They care about making something that sounds/looks good, but they don't feel it's their task to learn all the laws. They just take some samples from somewhere, don't care from where, and work hard on improving them, and mixing them with others.

And actually, neither should they have to be lawyers to make music. The copyright system is stupid. But it is there, and we have no power to change it to make more sense, so exactly this can become fair use. IMHO remixing samples should be considered fair use, and even allow them to be used for ANYTHING (that is, they should become copyrighted by the editing guy and lose the original copyright once actual artistic work had been done on them, as long as the artist got the samples using legal means, e.g. buying a sample CD).

Currently, if you buy a "royalty free" sample CD, it does not allow you to redistribute the samples, but the GPL may require you to do so, thus such samples can't be used for GPLed stuff.

If these CDs would allow you to make your own samples based on them by remixing, we'd have much less of a problem, as all that stuff on the net would be safe to use then.

tZork wrote:Well, what im reacting to is a official alientrap developer making a statement that's roughly equalizes most artists with criminals. not cool.

So?

I bet lots of people here are using pirated software (to name some: Windows, MS Office, Photoshop).

I bet lots of people here hear downloaded music from illegal sources (Piratebay, Isohunt, eMule, IRC).

I bet lots of people here use unregistered shareware for purposes or time not allowed with the unregistered version (Terragen, CoolEdit, PaintShop Pro, mIRC).

And I bet lots of people here have no problem with taking a small piece of music from a CD to make samples to make their own music with them.

All this is illegal.

But if everyone who does that went into jail, there wouldn't be much people left. Clearly, the laws became too complicated and too counter-intuitive to actually be held. But with no power to change the situation (as money = power, so the RIAA and similar groups will always have the upper hand in this), this cannot be changed.

Of course, as long as you do this just for your personal good, not many really care. But if such files are published as part of a project (e.g. Nexuiz), we can get into real trouble. Which is what all this is about.

IMHO, when the majority of the population is criminals, it's not their fault, but the country's.

divVerent wrote:Yes, as this was the issue for another mac user.

Basically, 2.5 needs much more video memory than previous versions due to larger textures and more weapons, and Macs seem to handle this especially badly.

Okay, it is set to "Low" now and it looks pretty ugly compared to "Normal" as I had it before. I'll test playing an extensive time tomorrow to see if this helps.

Urmel wrote:And you are sure to have an original Nvidia driver installed, not a generic windows one?

Yep drivers are allways updated, have a look:

temhawk wrote:

divVerent wrote:Yes, as this was the issue for another mac user.

Basically, 2.5 needs much more video memory than previous versions due to larger textures and more weapons, and Macs seem to handle this especially badly.

Okay, it is set to "Low" now and it looks pretty ugly compared to "Normal" as I had it before. I'll test playing an extensive time tomorrow to see if this helps.

You might want to look at setting "gl_texturecompression 0" (that is setting texture compression to "none" in the menu) if you're using 2.5 (it is the default in 2.5.1). This helps some with the ugly on my MacBook Pro .

Also, I (and others?) have found 2.5.1 much more unstable on Macs so, well, YMMV.

Nexuiz 2.5.1 released

I am very satisfied with this released. Most of the bugs were already fixed. Thanks

SPAMBOT

Where can I get the full 2.5.1 for linux?
I just installed Ubuntu in the HDD. And let's see if it runs better in linux than windows like it was said in a thread around this forum.

President wrote:Where can I get the full 2.5.1 for linux?
I just installed Ubuntu in the HDD. And let's see if it runs better in linux than windows like it was said in a thread around this forum.

Read this thread (external site wouldn load when I looked) or this this thread.

war59312 wrote:Audio channels is now stuck on Stereo. Version 2.5 did not have this problem.

As you can see:



This is a clean install on Vista SP1 32bit.

Bump!

Am I the only one?

"Posted: 2008-12-24 06"

WTF, wow times are off here on the forums big time!

um, k somehow "2008-12-24 06:" got put into my profile for Date format, got rid of that and problem fixed itself.. hehe

Ed wrote:Further proof that most players don't understand the whole two separate guns thing. And also that most people don't understand that the 'old' one is actually the new one. There have been 3 Nex models:

1.x Nex
2.0-2.3 Nex
2.4+ Nex

We don't HAVE to understand. Most of the people posting about the nexgun here are minstagib players. We only need one gun, and preferably with the 2.4.2 nexgun skin and model. I'm still running 2.4.2 servers because my clanmembers (prophets) prefer that over 2.5.1, and it's populated by all sorts of minstagib players almost all day. That must tell you something about the popularity of 2.5.1 to minstagib players. I'm sorry to be so blunt, because the developers (I don't know if you're one of them) did a wonderful job and I'm sure current physics and nexgun and all the other eyecandy will suit the other gamemodes perfectly well, but it just doesn't work out for minstagib... And that's my opinion and I think surprisingly many minstagib players feel the same way. I bet most of them.

I just hope that Fisch's new tts-mod will produce satisfying results in enabling 2.4.2 physics and nexgun on the 2.5.1-server I'm going to test out soon.