What do you consider good manners in nexuiz? Here are some of mine. I try to practice them every time, and I hope others do this too:

1) Taking only ammo once you've picked up that particular weapon already.

2) When an enemy takes the time to avoid typefragging me, I return the favor by not pursuing him once I've finished chatting. Often I will try not to frag him until after my next death.

3) When I get to an enemy base and a team member is already there waiting for the flag, I don't grab the flag and let him have it. After all, first come, first serve.

4) When an FC is in the base waiting for the retrieve, I don't take any HP/Armor powerups nearby.

5) When I see our FC coming back from the enemy base, I cover his back by doing my best to slow down the pursuers even if it means I die.

6) After a successful flag capture, I take the time to defend the base until another team member makes a flag cap.

7) I try to say sorry everytime I teamkill accidentally.

100% I try to do the same, even if it isnt always appreciated.

Anyone who has played with me knows I kill my teammates almost constantly on those space levels, but its unintentional .

Heh the other day I accidentaly typekilled someone and I apologised before he could even complain, which he did.

Sepelio wrote:Heh the other day I accidentaly typekilled someone and I apologised before he could even complain, which he did.

I believe that would be me

Got typefragged so typed "Thanks for the typefrag" and pressed Enter without realising your apology message was there already

By the way, manners should be used frequently in terms of making Nexuiz more fun and enjoyable - unfortunately many people don't respect that terms.. Which is the reason I stopped playing in Galts

Worst bit I encountered was in spyglass map on Galts - FC lost his flag in our base so I killed the enemy and went for the flag sitting in front of me. One particular player with attitude, RLed me from behind and grabbed the flag himself when he had 100 points already (while I only had just joined the game). I complained but since then he criticised Militia and hated us for being "not a clan".

Just one of those things that really spoils the gaming experience... my 2 cents.

Thats lousy. I hate it when people shoot me off weapons especially but shooting off a flag, thats just lame. First come first serve for the sake of the team if the FC drops the flag.

Don't join games without considering things such as team balance. I see many regulars show up and join a winning team or ruin a balanced game. Just because "auto" told you to join one team doesn't mean that it's the best team to join. Sometimes it might even be better to just wait a few minutes for <someone else to join/the match to finish/to see if one team really needs you>.

It's really inconsiderate when someone shows up and joins a balanced 1vs1 game... just wait a while instead.




Once you have a weapon, don't pick it up again in your base just to get more ammo. Step around it and just collect the ammo next to it. Also, if there are only a few weapons in your base, only take one. There are too many people who grab everything then run out to get killed while the defender is left lasering people off the flag.

I agree with balanced games sometimes it can just be best to sit out a round. I tend to unbalance games as will a lot of you folks. I've often just specced one of the people and given them tips and encouragement.

Oblivion wrote:2) When an enemy takes the time to avoid typefragging me, I return the favor by not pursuing him once I've finished chatting. Often I will try not to frag him until after my next death.

Don't exaggerate. A few seconds are enough (in DM), in which I usually try to get away.

In CTF I even do typefrag in some situations, eg. when stealing the flag. It happened to me more than once that I entered the enemy base, saw an enemy chatting, took the flag, ran away... and was shot in the back by the chatter.

Oblivion wrote:3) When I get to an enemy base and a team member is already there waiting for the flag, I don't grab the flag and let him have it. After all, first come, first serve.

I make that a bit dependent on my status. If I have health/armor=50/0, naturally I don't take the flag. if I come in with 250/250 and good weapons I try to take the flag.

Oblivion wrote:7) I try to say sorry everytime I teamkill accidentally.

Gave up doing that.
I would be spamming if I tried.... (playing too many space maps)

8 ) I try not to leave in the middle of the game.

Now a particular clan member snatched the flag under my nose when I went for it while i was INCHES away from it.. I complained but apologised in the end for complaining and that specific clan member said to me :

"you were slow, I did not have the time to wait "

"I do what I want "

Are these good manners?

Generally.. do not be evil.

Everything else is just shades of the same thing . I hope people will take this forum as a good example for this

Well, Oblivion...We have our differences. Let's face it. You hate me because I'm a little harsh to some noobs. Surprisingly I agree to and manifest most of the rules you listed in this thread as my own. The one exception is chat-fragging. You may not get chat-fragged often because most people know you have admin privileges. I get chatfragged all the time but I don't get angry about it...I simply chatfrag too. If "No Chatfragging'' were a rule that mostly everyone abided by, then I would try to abide to it too. To me, chatfragging is simply a consequence of the game. A lot of people abuse chat and whine about chat-fragging. Some of the most ridiculous instances I've seen:

* Enemy Chatfragged in our base, just a few yards from our flag, and whining about it.
* Enemy Chatfragged while hiding and holding our flag and whining about it.
* Enemy chatfragged while hiding and the "Chat" icon is not visible because it is obscured by the environment, and whining about it.
* Enemy out in the open and chatfragged from halfway across the map by a nex, and whining about it.
* Enemy actively attacking, is suddenly surrounded and outnumbered, immediately goes into chat, is immediatley Chatfragged and whines about it.
(I see this one a lot. It makes me laugh)

Many of these same people who complain about being chat-fragged go off and chatfrag somebody else. I guess their philosophy is "do as I say, not as I do".

Seriously, If I'm going to have a long conversation with someone, I often just spec, knowing full well that my score drops to zero. This is a FPS game first and foremost. If people want to spend most of the time chatting without consequences, they should just forget Nexuiz and run an IRC client.

Here's some more bad manners: There is a player who nags me all the time, except when he's on my team. I will not mention his name but players who know me on Gault's server might know who I'm talking about. His biggest gripe is camping. If i'm at my base and defending my flag, I'm "camping and have no skill". If I'm using a nex while perched somewhere, I'm "camping and have no skill". If I'm using a nex and constantly moving around, I'm "camping and have no skill". If I kill him with a nex (my preferred weapon), I'm "camping and have no skill". If my team wins and his loses, I'm "camping and have no skill".

Today I got sick of his whining targeted directly at me so I told him: "If you think I'm doing something illegal, take a screenie and talk to the admin about it. Otherwise, be quiet. If you think all I am is a camper with no skills, please accept my challenge for a 1vs1 match. Otherwise, be quiet."

Maybe its time again for this funny thing:

alias say_camp "say CTF is defending not camping! It is not the responsibility of a defender to leave the objective unguarded just so his opponent sucks less!!!"

And i'm not sure anymore were i got it from but i have it on an alias so i can say it quickly:
alias say_camp2 "say stop camping??? i'm not camping but if you stop attacking i'll stop DEFENDING!"

Nice one esteel. Can always rely on Ctrlaltdel for words of gaming wisdom.

OMG Esteel. That is hilarious. Its so true.

Actually I don't mind typefragging much. When I stop in the middle of the game to type, I pretty much expect to die. But those who don't practice typefragging enhance the game atmosphere by making it seem like scoring is not the only thing that matters.

However, when I chat in the enemy base (especially near the enemy flag) or when I chat when I'm FC, I expect to be typefragged. The only time it becomes rude is when you typefrag somebody who's just spawned, somebody who went out of the way to hide and chat, or somebody well within the confines of their own base.

Well, Oblivion...We have our differences. Let's face it. You hate me because I'm a little harsh to some noobs.

well... yeah. LOL. I hated you once because you're arrogant ingame. You blame all losses on your team, you leave the game early when your team is losing, and you do have a penchant for camping LOL (which I don't mind, given that I can see it really is for defense).

Today I got sick of his whining targeted directly at me so I told him: "If you think I'm doing something illegal, take a screenie and talk to the admin about it. Otherwise, be quiet. If you think all I am is a camper with no skills, please accept my challenge for a 1vs1 match. Otherwise, be quiet."

LOL, I know who it is. It's not so much your camping and nex skills he's mad at but your past rudeness. Did you know, a lot of people once shared his view? In several conversations once you were mentioned with the BDE's and The Apothem who are probably some of the rudest players. But atm, I can see you've changed a bit, and really want to change, for the good, so yeah, he should stop targeting you.

Oblivion wrote:1) Taking only ammo once you've picked up that particular weapon already.

Yes, do that.

Oblivion wrote:2) When an enemy takes the time to avoid typefragging me, I return the favor by not pursuing him once I've finished chatting. Often I will try not to frag him until after my next death.

Yes do that, but I don't wait till I die. I just run away and lose that guy, if I run into him again, he will die

Oblivion wrote:3) When I get to an enemy base and a team member is already there waiting for the flag, I don't grab the flag and let him have it. After all, first come, first serve.

I sometimes do that. If it's someone I know will lose the flag I try to take the flag before him as that means more points to the enemy team. However with the new system in place, where returns do not matter (Lazy Dog server and future Nexuiz versions) I might just do as you do.

Oblivion wrote:4) When an FC is in the base waiting for the retrieve, I don't take any HP/Armor powerups nearby.

Yes, do that, leaving stuff for the FC.

Oblivion wrote:5) When I see our FC coming back from the enemy base, I cover his back by doing my best to slow down the pursuers even if it means I die.

Yes, do that.

Oblivion wrote:6) After a successful flag capture, I take the time to defend the base until another team member makes a flag cap.

Yes, partially do that. I wait to see if he got any pursuers after him, if so I finished them off, once the base is cleared I go on with my own business.

Oblivion wrote:7) I try to say sorry everytime I teamkill accidentally.

Partially do that, if I'm not too busy having the flag, or chasing the flag or being chased.

Hes chattin or gamin - I dont see the point And some use it obviously !
Anyway, if you joining a fuck team feel free to do what came up to your mind. If someone complains - dont mind - its old as 3D Games exists FFS!

Type Fraggiing.

I try to remember not to kill them. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. I don't expect to survive long if I'm typing instead of playing.

More careful the nearer I get to the enemies' base. I figure that's a place where chatting is appropriate.

Pretty ruthless once they get close to our base. Inside our base--you're dead. Find a better place to talk. Especially since what someone is chatting about is probably game-related like telling his teammates the location of our FC.

Weapon-Hogging!

Starting to drive me a little batty. I see idiots who are sniping with the Nex in EvilSpace run over to the mortar and grab it, then go right back to Nex sniping.

It is very, very hard not to teamfrag such individuals.

On the other hand, I've been working harder to be a nice teammate regarding picked up weapons I don't use. Like the Nex in GreatWall and GasolinePowered. I try to grab it when I'm passing through, then bring it back and drop it in front of a teammate who might like to use it.

When I feel like weapon hogging, I invade the enemy base and scarf up all their good shit. Very satisfying.

Also, I very much appreciate and am trying hard to follow the rule of taking only ammo once I have the basic weapon. Best example is the Rocket Launcher in GreatWall. Nothing is worse than having some noob who already has the rocket leap up and clear out eveything just as we get a multiple assault and I end up trying to stop someone who is rocket bouncing out using either the laser or the shotgun.

Weapon hogs never seem to be very good at using them.

I agree with your last point there Diseased Fangs. I hate it when less competent players grab weapons and then my team loses due to one persons severe lack of aim or common sense. Then again I never have been very noob friendly... no matter how hard I try

From what I've seen you are all remarkably well-mannered compared to regulars from certain other games in the "Top 5 Free FPS" list (*cough* Urban Terror *cough*).

I follow the golden rule, except on space maps, where it makes me giggle to laser-ping typers. ...And I really don't care if the children steal all the good toys, just makes for a better challenge!

Was playing Capture City today and saw someone apparently trying to use the chat defense. As soon as they were attack (i.e. I starting hitting them with rounds) up pops the little chat sign!

Lizzerd eat players who defend with talking! Very tasty and delicious!

Diseased Fangs wrote:Was playing Capture City today and saw someone apparently trying to use the chat defense. As soon as they were attack (i.e. I starting hitting them with rounds) up pops the little chat sign!

Lizzerd eat players who defend with talking! Very tasty and delicious!

Ooh. That's a new one. LOL. Care to share who it is? I assume it's galt's

More gripes

Weapon hogging... IS BAD mmkay? In Facing Worlds, I often came across defenders who continually take the rocket AND the ammo with no deference to the other players even when they already have the rocket.

And lastly Lasering teammates off as they make a beeline for weapon and grab it for themselves.

Had a pretty nasty encounter yesterday in Galt's in Dance. An [M] member calling people names (of which I'm particularly sensitive, being GLBT), lasering teammates off weapons, teamkilling, and finally a narcissistic rant on our whining about what he did because we 'sucked'.

All the other [M] members I know are great people, so is he really [M]? Be careful, he's ruining your clan's image. Too bad Galt's doesn't show ip's now, I wanted to ascertain his identity, he could be a doppelganger for all I know. Reported it to Galt anyhow (hope he got it). His attitude was very similar to Apothem and the former BDE clan members.

Anyway, he left before I could issue a kick.

Is Hit and Run Trolling really that popular now? Game quality really is declining.

Well, as much to my attention, the EU servers (Greens and div0's) have better luck with players. I nowadays often encounter very nice players and even teamwork has started to get just a tad better, it's a great thing. Sorry to hear about the Galt server, but to my knowledge (as most complaints seems to come from that server, might be because there aren't too many US servers.) Galt's server been a host for some bad people.
But anyway, the game quality isn't declining to me. But again, I don't play on US servers.

Well I have to say I meet a lot of friendly people in the EU servers and every now and then am playing with team mates that actually apply team tactics which is very much fun.

Which reminds me I have to update my communication binds, to keep up with the advancing tactics... ;o)

Haven't had much problems with spammers or trolls up to now. There is always a few but I meet one like once in two weeks. Of course, I don't play constantly, but still. Might be also the time I am playing, most children under age six are/should be in bed already :oD

Since I have a new mouse, my nexaim did really improved(60-70% hit, yeah, im proud). Lots of ppl keep calling me camper. You can't roam around anymore without being called camper.

Everything that is not prohibited is permitted.

For me, prohibited things are:

0) stealing ALL weapons from team. if you do accidentally - drop some
1) stealing hp/armor from flag carrier.
2) blocking FC on his/her way home. if you do - see above
3) rl whoring. if you exclusively use ONLY the RL - you are below the lowest, and should be immediately kickbaned from every server and your nexuiz copy should autodelete itself

inb4 questions:
- lasering/nexing mates is ok while not stupid and everyone stays alive
- typefragging is ok because it's efficient way to earn free frags. free is good, frags are good, so TF is good (remember prostitution? selling is legal, fucking is legal, why selling fucking should be illegal?)
- nex whoring is fine but annoying and should not be exercised in full against green nubs, because it discourages them to play ( this is effective until my proposal to reduce nex damage gets approved -- if it gets)