Ok my pc is shocking, and every new version makes nexuiz harder for me to play, and I want to be able to play at a good level again.

Anyone got links / suggestions for a new pc?

basically I DON'T want to be spending mega-bucks (for you americans).

But I want to be able to play some new titles, but with a budget/performance mix in mind. So mid-entry level or something.

I basically need, CPU / Motherboard, RAM, HDD, Graphics card, and fan's..and probably a case..so basically a PC..but without any software stuff.

Ok post anything that you think is a good offer/can help.

I know few things about hardware but i can remember you these few things...

Nexuiz dont support multicore CPU. So if u have for ex a p4 3.0Ghz, change that with a dual core 1.5Ghzx2 is the same to have a single core 1.5Ghz (bad for nexuiz if u want good graphic).
I know help a lot performance have more RAM and maybe change graphic card with a lot of ram dedicated.

I think amd phenom still gives the most bang for buck, so look for some upgrade package.
You can even get a phenom I, there is enough power in them for nexuiz. There ought to be some computer part comparative site so you get the best price in uk or well, the eu for that matter, since there is no vat and so on besides the country you buy the stuff in when shopping within eu.

Also I would recommend buying a nvidia card, then you have no problems with linux.
I have a nvidia 9800 card, and no problems load wise with nexuiz whatsoever and that card should be quite cheap to pick up nowadays. Get 4GB ram while you are at it, ram is so cheap and gives lots of performance for applications/games.

get a antec case like three hundred model (midi tower), cheap, nice design, flexible solution.
and some corsair powersupply. Get your local nerd to put it together.

I guess at the time Kojn has a new box, he'd like to play other games as well. Not talking about the fact that a 3Ghz P4 isn't available anymore.


Intel has a nice and affordable CPU called Pentium Dual Core E6300 (no, not the Core2Duo E6300!!) at the moment. It's running at 2.8GHz default, and you can easily OC it to at least 3.6GHz if you really need it. From GBP 56 up. Moster bang for buck than phenoms, definately

It's hard to give you any recommendations concerning a mainboard. Take my advice, don't by Asrock mainboards. They're all big pieces of shit.

DDR2 RAM is getting more and more expensive atm. You will need 2 1GiB modules, 800MHz. Better: 2 2GiB modules 800MHz. Not so good: 4 modules.

GFX, well, go look for a Geforce 9600GT maybe from GBP 60 up, or if that's too expensive for you, get a 9600GSO, GBP 37 up.

Harddisk: Not that important. Don't buy PATA (old), buy a SATA (current). Maybe a Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB (GBP 25,82 up), if that's big enough for you.

Case: try to get a used one.

PSU: cheap ones are not very recommendable in general. You will have to spend more than 20 bucks. The Corsair CX 400W is fair quality at a reasonable price and absolutely strong enough.

DVD Drive: who needs a DVD drive??

paperclips wrote:Also I would recommend buying a nvidia card, then you have no problems with linux.
I have a nvidia 9800 card, and no problems load wise with nexuiz whatsoever and that card should be quite cheap to pick up nowadays. Get 4GB ram while you are at it, ram is so cheap and gives lots of performance for applications/games.

yeah the 9800 is good - have one too

I guess kojn doesn't need such a strong card like the 8800GT (or let's say 9800GT which is the current name for this model) - I know his favourite graphics settings

37 GBP is a strong argument for the 9600GSO, actually nobody needs more for just playing Nexuiz, and you can get two of them for the price of one 9800GT.

If you're looking for cheap, that's no longer such a problem for running Nexuiz. My 9600GT will do very high settings fine. A 9500GT would get high enough settings at medium resolutions to look fine. Put an Arctic Cooling Accelero S1 on almost anything and it'll stay passive.

CPU: well yeah, one of them helps. I wouldn't bother with the old stuff at 65nm which, lets face it, is massive. Then start looking at cash for a dual core. Do look at options for overclocking (and undervolting) when you try to match it to a motherboard.

If money is a problem then that kind of goes against my favourite technology (and big aim) for right now which is SSD. Spinning disks are so 20th century.

Don't be a moron and buy a Jiggawatt PSU. Waste of money. Tell me your components and I'll tell you the PSU. A high quality 400W will work for almost anything you can buy.

Case wise I would suggest going uATX unless you really do need 97 different obsolete peripherals all connected at the same time. Silverstone TJ08 is brilliant.

Don't by anything from Thermaltake either. Almost every single component they make is listed as '16dB' in the specs. How is this possible? They're lying through their teeth. Xigmatek S1283 CPU coolers are cheap and very good, fans with any decent case should also be passable for your needs.

Wahoo the Urmels back!! Kojn is your computer bust that's why your not on msn? Good luck getting a new machine always is a tense time.

What's your budget? If you could tell me in USD or Euro what that is I'd be willing to help you.

Urmel wrote:37 GBP is a strong argument for the 9600GSO, actually nobody needs more for just playing Nexuiz, and you can get two of them for the price of one 9800GT.

agreed a 9600 is actually the best if you want to pay less then 50 bucks for a gfx card and it can run most of the modern games with pretty good settings

giuseppe wrote:I know few things about hardware but i can remember you these few things...

Nexuiz dont support multicore CPU. So if u have for ex a p4 3.0Ghz, change that with a dual core 1.5Ghzx2 is the same to have a single core 1.5Ghz (bad for nexuiz if u want good graphic).
I know help a lot performance have more RAM and maybe change graphic card with a lot of ram dedicated.

Not true, a single core system have to run everything including nexuiz on that core. a multi core setup has more cores to spread the system load (such as the gpu driver load, which can be substantial, etc) on. thus multi core can well be better (and are in fact recommended for any current generation gpu too) then a mono core for Nexuiz. That said i dont know of any gaming capable mono core cpus sold today

If your on a tight budget id recommend looking at a AMD Phenom II X2 545 or AMD Athlon II X4 620 based system. If you can spend some more, the Intel core i5 looks nice. System ram would be a minimum of 2gig, personally id go for 6-8. For gpu id suggest the nvidia 9600 gt if your on a tight budget (~50 eur here) or the 9800 gt for midrange (~95 eur) Theres some interesting Ati cards too, but due to their driver problems i would not recommend ati. still if your windows only and likely to stay that way for a long time, it may be worth a look. The rest of the system is preddy much a non issue wrt to gaming. well, maybe snd card, but the built in ones are usually ok these days. oh and make sure you get a good powersupply with enougth output (id guess around 500w for this rig), else your shiny new stuff will be crashing all the time.

I just recently upgraded to a dual-core 2.9 GHz AMD, 2 GB RAM, GeForce 9600 GT system plus a new case. I'm fairly happy with it, you wouldn't believe the difference it makes when you can play with 300 FPS vs 30 FPS. The cost was around 250 EUR (including only a video card, processor, system board, memory and case + bundled 450W PSU). By going for an Intel instead and thus a cheaper system board as well, I believe it's possible to fit into a 200 EUR budget.

tZork wrote:

giuseppe wrote:I know few things about hardware but i can remember you these few things...

Nexuiz dont support multicore CPU. So if u have for ex a p4 3.0Ghz, change that with a dual core 1.5Ghzx2 is the same to have a single core 1.5Ghz (bad for nexuiz if u want good graphic).
I know help a lot performance have more RAM and maybe change graphic card with a lot of ram dedicated.

Not true, a single core system have to run everything including nexuiz on that core. a multi core setup has more cores to spread the system load (such as the gpu driver load, which can be substantial, etc) on. thus multi core can well be better (and are in fact recommended for any current generation gpu too) then a mono core for Nexuiz. That said i dont know of any gaming capable mono core cpus sold today

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Nexuiz dont support multicore: not true?
my example about running Nexuiz on dual 1.5Ghz instead a single core 3.0Ghz: not true?

Well my experience is that. I have now a dual 1.6Ghz instead my previous p4 3.2Ghz and nexuiz run with half or less frame rate and now if i want have a decent frame rate i have to set graphics to low value. But i can render with Blender 5% faster now for ex. Is true!
I have compared a single core and the 'equivalent' dual. I not said all dual core are bad for Nexuiz

Urmel wrote:...
Intel has a nice and affordable CPU called Pentium Dual Core E6300 (no, not the Core2Duo E6300!!) at the moment. It's running at 2.8GHz default, and you can easily OC it to at least 3.6GHz if you really need it. From GBP 56 up. Moster bang for buck than phenoms, definately
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This is a nice one.

Depends on what the current bottleneck of you system is giuseppe, however since nexuiz is not the only thing running on the system the other core/s of a multi core system is not idle. And thus more cores can still help performance even if nexuiz itself just uses the one thread. So no, 2x 1.5 ghz is not the same for nexuiz as 1x 1.5.

Oh, and comparing Mhz to Mhz across different cpu architectures is pointless these days

if your new 1.6 ghz (c2d i assume) is running nexuiz at half fps compared to a (p4?) of 3.2 ghz at otherwise comparable hardware, theres proly something wrong with your puter (and +5% blender render speed sounds to little too). The c2d (and just abt every other modern performance directed cpu architecture) get much more done per mhz then the p4 arc does.

from here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-core

The amount of performance gained by the use of a multi-core processor is strongly dependent on the software algorithms and implementation.
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In addition to operating system (OS) support, adjustments to existing software are required to maximize utilization of the computing resources provided by multi-core processors. Also, the ability of multi-core processors to increase application performance depends on the use of multiple threads within applications.
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Two processing cores sharing the same system bus and memory bandwidth limits the real-world performance advantage.

So multi core tecnology is much better single core but needs appropriate 'software algorithms and implementation' that use 'multiple threads' and needs appropriate hw components.
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And from here
http://compreviews.about.com/od/cpus/a/dualcore.htm

Most of the early dual-core processors are going to be running at lower clock speeds compared to single core processors. The rational behind it is that a dual-core processor with each running at 1GHz should be equivalent to a single processor running at 2GBz. The problem is that this doesn't work in practice when the applications are not written to take advantage of the multiple processors. Until the software is written this way, unthreaded applications will run faster on a single processor than a dual-core CPU.

So a dual core 2.50-3.00 Ghz x 2 is good for nexuiz but my 1.50 Ghz x 2 i dont think (sure with a good graphic card with a lot of ram yes). The fact is Nexuiz cant take the great advantage of multi thread. And is a pity.
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Sorry k0jak im OT


[edit: i correct my info]
-my old CPU was a pentium HT 3.20Ghz, my new is a pentium dual 1.60 Ghz x2
-now i can have with blender render 50% faster (just controlled my old renders)

Hmm you either miss my point or ignore it anyways, lets stop threadjacking.

simply maybe i cant understand
i start a new topic to continue
http://forums.alientrap.local/viewtopic.php?t=5491

Lee_Stricklin wrote:What's your budget? If you could tell me in USD or Euro what that is I'd be willing to help you.

400 british pounds, so that's about 400 Euros.

Yeah! I win

k0jak wrote:

Lee_Stricklin wrote:What's your budget? If you could tell me in USD or Euro what that is I'd be willing to help you.

400 british pounds, so that's about 400 Euros.

Building on the cheap eh? Alright here's what I found so far, I'm still working on it though because it's about 25 pounds over budget. I strictly used UK sites only and because I don't know what the hell it is I included the prices with VAT. I'm going to see if I can shave the price down a bit without sacrificing the specs (256 bit VGA, and 3GHz Phenom II are a must) too badly. There were only two sites used to piece this list together and this only includes the tower with no peripherals, software, or monitor. This also doesn't include shipping, but once again I only navigated two retailers to minimize the costs there.


Price
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Budget: £400 British Pounds = €437 Euro = $650 USD

Total with VAT (whatever the hell that is): £424.46 British Pounds


Tower + Components
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PSU
Trust 570 watts
£47.92
http://www.ukpcparts.com/product/TRU-PSU-16480.htm

Case
Antec 300 with intake and exhaust
£44.99
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/Sea ... ku=Q133184

Board
AM2+, 8GB RAM Max, 1066MHZ RAM support with AM2+ or AM3 CPU, 2 PCI, 1 PCIE 16, 1 PCIE mini, 4 SATA II Plugs, 1 Floppy Plug, 1 IDE plug
£34.29
http://www.ukpcparts.com/product/ASR-N68PV-GS.htm

CPU AM3 (AM3 CPUs are backwards compatible with AM2+ socket)
AMD Phenom II X2 (dual core) 3.1GHz
£76.99
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/Sea ... CatId=2968

VGA
PNY Nvidia Geforce 9600GT 1GB, 256 bit
£100
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/Sea ... 2&NoMapp=0

RAM
Crucial 4GB (2 X 2GB) 1066MHZ
£64.99
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/Sea ... CatId=3179

HDD
Western Digital 250GB SATA
£35.66
http://www.ukpcparts.com/product/ST-250 ... 00AAKS.htm

DVD
LG SATA with Lightscribe
£19.62
http://www.ukpcparts.com/product/CD-D-- ... GHLS50.htm

Lee_Stricklin wrote:Building on the cheap eh?

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CPU AM3 (AM3 CPUs are backwards compatible with AM2+ socket)
AMD Phenom II X2 (dual core) 3.1GHz

Dude, would you please refrain from classifying the CPU I just bought as "cheap"?

VAT is "Value Added Tax", so yes, you have to pay that, but the name is a lie of course, it won't add any value to the product.

You can easily save 32£ by taking only 2GB memory at first. Unless Windows uses significantly more memory than windows or you have some extremely memory-intensive application that is completely sufficient. Another advantage: you can just buy another 2GB later without loosing anything.

RoKenn wrote:

Lee_Stricklin wrote:Building on the cheap eh?

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CPU AM3 (AM3 CPUs are backwards compatible with AM2+ socket)
AMD Phenom II X2 (dual core) 3.1GHz

Dude, would you please refrain from classifying the CPU I just bought as "cheap"?

VAT is "Value Added Tax", so yes, you have to pay that, but the name is a lie of course, it won't add any value to the product.

You can easily save 32£ by taking only 2GB memory at first. Unless Windows uses significantly more memory than windows or you have some extremely memory-intensive application that is completely sufficient. Another advantage: you can just buy another 2GB later without loosing anything.

I'm still not done with this list, since I live in the states I'm not exactly the best person for navigating UK PC websites and I was going for dual channel (dual channel @ 1066MHz = Fast) and some near-future-proofing with the RAM since there will be applications using more RAM after Windows 7 comes out and 64 bit is more widespread now. Also the cheap-ass CPUs that are Phenom II's (like the one I use lol) have the best price to performance ratio period and stack up against i7s better (often times out-performing on AM3 boards with DDR3) than Intel wants you to think.

Lee,

Is this any good for the price? http://www.cube247.co.uk/?customise=25 ?

Thanks

looks very good, that radeon is much faster than gforce 9600gt, its even faster than gforce 260, so you will be able to play all latest games in max detail

price could be lower but i dont know prices in uk

k0jak wrote:Lee,

Is this any good for the price? http://www.cube247.co.uk/?customise=25 ?

Thanks

Looks pretty solid if your going to be using Windows, however I've NEVER had any luck with ATI on Linux systems and the card's specs were always ruined by what their drivers allowed since they constantly crashed or just flat out decided not to work, but the last time I fooled around with them I was toying around with the HD2600 series which was buggy as hell. Outside of the video card issue (though they're improving rapidly) it looks really good. I think you could probably build a computer with either the same or similar specs for cheaper though.